Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Extinction]

Today's performance won't matter at the Tour indeed. But it seems he was really suffering at the end. The Giro is not that easy (maybe it'll be easier from now on, he has control in the GC now).

That's just it, the Giro is not that easy. I mean Armstrong said it was like "Pop Warner" level compared to the Tour. So, why then did he not win it easy and then go on to win the Tour? Simple, it's too hard.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

That's just it, the Giro is not that easy. I mean Armstrong said it was like "Pop Warner" level compared to the Tour. So, why then did he not win it easy and then go on to win the Tour? Simple, it's too hard.

Well he only raced it once and that was during his comeback, so he can't really know how easy or hard it could have been during his prime.

 

[canina82]

Bad TT. He looked way better in these flat TTs in 2021-2022.

 

[Netserk]

Bad TT. He looked way better in these flat TTs in 2021-2022.

same area

Tirreno-Adriatico 2022 Stage 1 (ITT) results

Tirreno-Adriatico 2022 Stage 1 (ITT) from Lido di Camaiore to Lido di Camaiore was won by Filippo Ganna before Remco Evenepoel and Tadej PogaÄar. Filippo Ganna was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[canina82]

same area

Tirreno-Adriatico 2022 Stage 1 (ITT) results

Tirreno-Adriatico 2022 Stage 1 (ITT) from Lido di Camaiore to Lido di Camaiore was won by Filippo Ganna before Remco Evenepoel and Tadej PogaÄar. Filippo Ganna was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

Probably I'm wrong, I didn't realize he was so bad in this type of TTs. Maybe because he was good in the TdF (both 2021 - 2022).

 

[Netserk]

its a matter of both route and form

he was in much better form in the tour and only the copenhagen tt was as flat as this one . when he did tirreno again two years later in much better form , he was ninth

likewise today , if he was in peak shape he would also be faster today despite a very bad route for him

 

[Tonton]

This version of Jonas Vingegaard doesn't stand a chance in July.

 

[aphronesis]

That's just it, the Giro is not that easy. I mean Armstrong said it was like "Pop Warner" level compared to the Tour. So, why then did he not win it easy and then go on to win the Tour? Simple, it's too hard.

He did break a collarbone prior to the Giro, which can be a drag. I’m not privy to Aspen level surgery, so I couldn’t gauge the overall impact.

 

[Hugh Januss]

same area

Tirreno-Adriatico 2022 Stage 1 (ITT) results

Tirreno-Adriatico 2022 Stage 1 (ITT) from Lido di Camaiore to Lido di Camaiore was won by Filippo Ganna before Remco Evenepoel and Tadej PogaÄar. Filippo Ganna was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

One could argue that Vingo's performance was better this time than in 2022 T-A. He lost 25 sec. to Arensman in a tt than was slightly less than 1/3 the distance of this day where he lost 1:06.

 

[Berniece]

This version of Jonas Vingegaard doesn't stand a chance in July.

He wouldn't even finish on the podium in this form, but he'll be much better in July though

 

[fenns]

I'm on the fence as to whether he's holding back or this is as good as he's got. If it's the latter his chances in July are slim.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He wouldn't even finish on the podium in this form, but he'll be much better in July though

He was unimpressive at last years Tour TT too but easily got #2. Its his worst type of TT, he didnt work on it (no such TT at the Tour), and his form still needs some improvement (his uphill numbers were decent though).

 

[Berniece]

He was unimpressive at last years Tour TT too but easily got #2. Its his worst type of TT, he didnt work on it (no such TT at the Tour), and his form still needs some improvement (his uphill numbers were decent though).

Were they? I mean, sure they were decent, but not sure they are good enough to finish on the podium

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Were they? I mean, sure they were decent, but not sure they are good enough to finish on the podium

I cant see anyone besides Pogacar and Seixas beating Vingo in his spring form. Nobody else showed better level uphill (well even Pogacar didnt on long climbs but his focus was elsewhere). Obviously Vingo should improve if he wants to win but thats the goal, I guess.

 

[Berniece]

I cant see anyone besides Pogacar and Seixas beating Vingo in his spring form. Nobody else showed better level uphill (well even Pogacar didnt on long climbs but his focus was elsewhere). Obviously Vingo should improve if he wants to win but thats the goal, I guess.

I think Lipowitz and Evenepoel can, assuming they are in better form than spring and Vingegaard is in this form. But he'll be in better form during TDF anyway

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think Lipowitz and Evenepoel can, assuming they are in better form than spring and Vingegaard is in this form. But he'll be in better form during TDF anyway

Vingo did beat his competition convincingly at Catalunya and PN. At the Giro he's still good uphill but Gall's improvement cant be neglected.

By this way of thinking One can also say that Lipo and Remco could beat Pogacar, who in Romandie mountains looked more sluggish than Vingo this spring.

 

[Rou]

Vingo did beat his competition convincingly at Catalunya and PN. At the Giro he's still good uphill but Gall's improvement cant be neglected.

By this way of thinking One can also say that Lipo and Remco could beat Pogacar, who in Romandie mountains looked more sluggish than Vingo this spring.

Papa Horner is calling Jonas a luck merchant this spring.
This time he is close to the truth.

 

[Berniece]

Vingo did beat his competition convincingly at Catalunya and PN. At the Giro he's still good uphill but Gall's improvement cant be neglected.

By this way of thinking One can also say that Lipo and Remco could beat Pogacar, who in Romandie mountains looked more sluggish than Vingo this spring.

Definitely, if Pogacar weighs as much during TDF as he did in Romandie. But he's at altitude losing a couple of kilos

 

[Psycat]

Tour will likely be a very one-sided affair but don't see much reason to believe that Remco will suddenly drop Vinge in the mountains and it's not enough TT to make me think he will finish higher. Lipo is the x-factor in my mind, could very well challenge 2nd.

Going out on a limb here saying that I think it, Lipo ending the 1/2 run of Pog and Vinge, will happen this year. It will mostly be due to Vingegaard declining of course.

 

[Netserk]

I'm on the fence as to whether he's holding back or this is as good as he's got. If it's the latter his chances in July are slim.

hes not holding back ( much ) , but this is also not as good as hes gonna get

 

[theyoungest]

Tour will likely be a very one-sided affair but don't see much reason to believe that Remco will suddenly drop Vinge in the mountains and it's not enough TT to make me think he will finish higher. Lipo is the x-factor in my mind, could very well challenge 2nd.

Going out on a limb here saying that I think it, Lipo ending the 1/2 run of Pog and Vinge, will happen this year. It will mostly be due to Vingegaard declining of course.

I think the plan is for Vingegaard to do another altitude camp after this Giro and then to be at his absolute best in the Tour. He's doing the Giro as a buildup race. If he's worse in the Tour than he currently is in the Giro, something has not quite gone to plan.

 

[Extinction]

He did break a collarbone prior to the Giro, which can be a drag. I’m not privy to Aspen level surgery, so I couldn’t gauge the overall impact.

He never even did the Giro until
his comeback. Not once did he attempt the Giro-Tour double during his prime years. The point is Armstrong's dismissiveness towards the Giro was only meant to make his Tour wins that much more epic. The reality is that the Giro is second only to the Tour in GT prestige and it's hard as hell to win.

 

[Psycat]

I think the plan is for Vingegaard to do another altitude camp after this Giro and then to be at his absolute best in the Tour. He's doing the Giro as a buildup race. If he's worse in the Tour than he currently is in the Giro, something has not quite gone to plan.

I think he will be better than in the Giro, I also think it won't be close to enough. Question is if he will be a clear number two again or have to fight for it, which is where I am leaning towards.

Of course I could very well be wrong but so far it's not earthshattering performances here(or in the Vuelta last year to be honest).

 

[Vinther1991]

A lot of concern trolling here. The TT was about same level as last year's Tour and Vuelta. A long flat TT is not his expertise. Maybe he has gotten a bit worse than 3-4 years ago, but this year the Tour doesn't have such a TT, so he won't need to focus on improving that. A hilly TT is much much better for him.
Vingegaard is the rider who has climbed the best this year, so I see no reason why he shouldn't be the strongest competitor to Pogacar.

 

[aphronesis]

He never even did the Giro until
his comeback. Not once did he attempt the Giro-Tour double during his prime years. The point is Armstrong's dismissiveness towards the Giro was only meant to make his Tour wins that much more epic. The reality is that the Giro is second only to the Tour in GT prestige and it's hard as hell to win.

Oh, I don’t dismiss any of that, just as it wasn’t clear who on the team was actually riding for the win, nor that (Discovery) Astana could control the Giro.

And the Tour was all that was needed in that era for US media and sponsorship.