Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Red Rick]

No. I doubt he would have done better than Carapaz without the crash. Maybe the two of them would have been able to stay away from the chasers.

Kinda depends on how they'd right tactically. Carapaz blew himself up. Vingegaard might have done a very good shift uphill but then he seems like a poor descencer.

 

[tobydawq]

You don't have to feel so bad. I mean there are posters on here who can't remember which threads they've visited just a few hours later...

I have forgotten what you're talking about.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I have forgotten what you're talking about.

Seems like the right strategy. Unfortunately there are enough people willing to remind you of it from time to time.

 

[KZD]

Although he still didn't fully convinced me, I really look forward to see if he can repeat or even improve his Tour and Itzulia performances this season

 

[Red Rick]

What's his spring schedule?

 

[RedheadDane]

What's his spring schedule?

According to PCS, TA + Ardennes.

 

[tobydawq]

According to PCS, TA + Ardennes.

Better not be burned out when the Tour comes...

 

[RedheadDane]

Better not be burned out when the Tour comes...

He'll probably also do one of the Tour prep races. Likely some other races too.
And the nationals; Danish riders can't exactly use the excuse that it's too much trouble to go to Denmark so close to the Tour this year

 

[Cookster15]

A well deserved thread for Jonas. He really caught my eye when Pogacar appeared to have trouble following him on the Ventoux. I hope he can continue to build on that promise. But who is Chris Harper?

 

[Cookster15]

But this goes for most of the top riders, doesn't it? You have to have a fast and strong engine to follow the big boys.

I don’t think that is right. There can still be significant variation amongst the elite and you still get outliers. I’d like to know more about Jonas’s physiology. VO2 max, FTP etc.

 

[tobydawq]

He'll probably also do one of the Tour prep races. Likely some other races too.
And the nationals; Danish riders can't exactly use the excuse that it's too much trouble to go to Denmark so close to the Tour this year

I wouldn't be sure.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He really caught my eye when Pogacar appeared to have trouble following him on the Ventoux.

Well he could hardly have caught your eye any later than that

But who is Chris Harper?

We know he's not Jonas Vingegaard, but he might be (a) Diego Rosa.

I don’t think that is right. There can still be significant variation amongst the elite and you still get outliers. I’d like to know more about Jonas’s physiology. VO2 max, FTP etc.

Having a high VO2 max obviously doesn't guarantee that a rider becomes a star because there are other factors at play, but I reckon that not having the right numbers more often than not will guarantee that the rider never becomes one.

 

[Cookster15]

Well he could hardly have caught your eye any later than that

Unless you followed him closely or maybe are Dutch few expected what we saw in 2020. General consensus was he was the revelation on that Tour. So my view would reflect the majority of fans.

 

[RedheadDane]

Unless you followed him closely or maybe are Dutch few expected what we saw in 2020. General consensus was he was the revelation on that Tour. So my view would reflect the majority of fans.

Dunno what the Dutch expected.
Us Danes, otoh, might have expected a thing or too.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Unless you followed him closely or maybe are Dutch few expected what we saw in 2020. General consensus was he was the revelation on that Tour. So my view would reflect the majority of fans.

I'm not denying he was the (GC) revelation of the Tour, but even if you hadn't heard of him before 2021, many people on here certainly noticed him getting some pretty good results prior to the Tour, starting with the stage win in the UAE Tour, which not only lead to this thread getting created, but also to the title it eventually got (because Carlton Kirby was sure it was Harper who sprinted past Lutsenko in the final metres).
Obviously the 2nd place is the biggest result of his career so far, and I wasn't sure he was ever going to achieve something like that and not so soon either, but it definitely didn't come as much out of the blue as Froome's 2011 Vuelta, for instance.

 

[Cookster15]

Obviously the 2nd place is the biggest result of his career so far, and I wasn't sure he was ever going to achieve something like that and not so soon either, but it definitely didn't come as much out of the blue as Froome's 2011 Vuelta, for instance.

So we agree then. My comment was a fair one. I spend long enough here to know.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So we agree then. My comment was a fair one. I spend long enough here to know.

It was written tongue in cheek, cause I wasn't doubting your cycling knowdledge at all, but It just came across as a bit of a weird comment, at least to someone who has followed him closely for almost a year now and who as a Dane was also aware of his existence before his first minor breakthrough in 2019 (which I definitely don't expect many non-Danes would have been).

 

[Cookster15]

It was written tongue in cheek, cause I wasn't doubting your cycling knowdledge at all, but It just came across as a bit of a weird comment, at least to someone who has followed him closely for almost a year now and who as a Dane was also aware of his existence before his first minor breakthrough in 2019 (which I definitely don't expect many non-Danes would have been).

Got it . My belated apologies for assuming him to be Dutch rather than a Dane . He is an interesting rider though I look forward to following him!

 

[RedheadDane]

Got it . My belated apologies for assuming him to be Dutch rather than a Dane. He is an interesting rider though I look forward to following him!

First people try to claim Juul Jensen for the Irish, now you try to claim Vingegaard for the Dutch!
At least Juul Jensen was actually born in Ireland, and lived there for the first 16 years of his life.

 

[tobydawq]

Now, I'm having nightmares, imagining Vingegaard being pronounced in Dutch...

Dunno what the Dutch expected.
Us Danes, otoh, might have expected a thing or too.

Wow, the nationality mistake got you so worked up that you didn't even notice the error regarding the year

 

[RedheadDane]

Wow, the nationality mistake got you so worked up that you didn't even notice the error regarding the year

I just sort of assumed he was talking about the 2020 Vuelta, which is when he first starting showing signs of what he could do on an international scene.

 

[tobydawq]

I just sort of assumed he was talking about the 2020 Vuelta, which is when he first starting showing signs of what he could do on an international scene.

He wasn't.

 

[RedheadDane]

He wasn't.

Okay. But yeah... claiming Danes for other nationalities is worse that mixing up years! Besides, the Dutch have enough riders.

 

[tobydawq]

Okay. But yeah... claiming Danes for other nationalities is worse that mixing up years! Besides, the Dutch have enough riders.

Not enough to have won the Tour since 1980.

 

[RedheadDane]

Not enough to have won the Tour since 1980.

Still not enough reason to try and claim the Danes!