I agree. If not for the stage 6 breakaway I think Roglic and Vingegaard would’ve had freedom to battle it out between the two of them and it wouldn’t have been that complicated. Plus with crashes/illness/injury it’s better to have 2 guys.
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He was dying in his wheel, both on Angliru and Javalambre, but wouldn't let go as if his life depends on that.
Well we'll never know who would have been the strongest, but we are of course still allowed to speculate.
Nah, don't think so. Maybe up to a point but eventually they would settle to ride for the one in the lead. It would have looked absurd to see Vinge attack Roglic, or the other way around, in one of the final mountain stages. If Kuss was out of it I actually think it would have been easier for Rogla and Vinge to accept ride for the other in the final week. And why let them going to war with each other and risk blowing up? Better to have the other ready if somethings happens to the red jersey.
Not sure about Angliru, Vinge didn't look as laboured at the finish as he did in some of the earlier stages, for example the Tourmalet stage. My impression is that Vinge seems sharper in the third week than in week one and two.
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On Javalambre he wasn't that strong (we know the reason for that: he had just been sick) but on Angliru, I didn't really see him in trouble at all. Their styles differ a little, Roglic spinning the smaller gear, Vingegaard laboring a bit more, that's all.
Yeah, if Sepp Kuss doesn't somehow conquer yellow at some point, there won't be much of a problem. The dynamic is totally different when Pogacar is there. Then they have a common enemy, rather than fighting against each other. To the benefit of both of them (mainly Roglic though, Vingegaard has shown that he can do it on his own).
We are lucky with Jonas, it is very easy to see when he is in pain (see tourmalet). Roglic is almost impossible to read, for me at least.
On Angliru I saw nothing to indicate he was anyware near his limit.
The tricky thing about Roglic is his default climbing style looks very distressed at least to me. Most riders start getting out of the saddle when in jeopardy but he does that all the time, and always has his back completely horizontal or even pointed downwards, but then maintains it the entire way.
I just think he has the most aggressive and uncomfortable looking position even on climbs which are normally upright but it clearly works for him.
So winning the Vuelta is actually like kissing a helmet. What we can't see here, is that Remco was pointing at them from a distance.
Vingegaard at 6420 points after today's update, Roglic a clear nr2 with 4783 (-1637)
It seems to be a wicked amount of points that Vingegaard accumulated in 2023, comparing it to the last handful of years' annual stats, which often are between 2900 to 3400 for Nr1 on UCI's Stage Race world ranking.
Roglic in 2019 with 4004 points seems to be the second highest.
https://tinyurl.com/muvwvrpu
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It seems to be a wicked amount of points that Vingegaard accumulated in 2023, comparing it to the last handful of years' annual stats, which often are between 2900 to 3400 for Nr1 on UCI's Stage Race world ranking.
Roglic in 2019 with 4004 points seems to be the second highest.
https://tinyurl.com/muvwvrpu
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The Tour winner last year received 1000 UCI points, this year 1300, they changed the points system.Vingegaard at 6420 points after today's update, Roglic a clear nr2 with 4783 (-1637)
It seems to be a wicked amount of points that Vingegaard accumulated in 2023, comparing it to the last handful of years' annual stats, which often are between 2900 to 3400 for Nr1 on UCI's Stage Race world ranking.
Roglic in 2019 with 4004 points seems to be the second highest.
https://tinyurl.com/muvwvrpu
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Only the Tour changed point schematics from 1000 to 1300, or also across the other-stage races for the season.?
// It seems so, as Sepp's 2023 Vuelta -win gave him 1100 points, and the Vuelta wouldnt have been higher in 2022 than the Tour..
so definitely some inflation in these numbers when comparing them with a year-to-year perspective...
Last year, Vingeaard seemed to end at 2921 points as nr1 and Tadej Pogacar nr2 with 2733 points. (World Stage race ranking<)
_For 2023* these are the highest point scores for Jonas..
| Stages - UCI WorldTour | ||||
| 23 Jul 2023 | Tour de France - Final Classification - General Classification | 1 | 1300 | |
| 17 Sep 2023 | La Vuelta Ciclista a España - Final Classification - General Classification | 2 | 885 | |
| 11 Jun 2023 | Critérium du Dauphiné - Final Classification - General Classification | 1 | 500 | |
| 08 Apr 2023 | Itzulia Basque Country - Final Classification - General Classification | 1 | 400 |
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Yes, please indulge in how your favourite rider is #1 through data. That will surely give him popularity.Vingegaard at 6420 points after today's update, Roglic a clear nr2 with 4783 (-1637)
It seems to be a wicked amount of points that Vingegaard accumulated in 2023, comparing it to the last handful of years' annual stats, which often are between 2900 to 3400 for Nr1 on UCI's Stage Race world ranking.
Roglic in 2019 with 4004 points seems to be the second highest.
https://tinyurl.com/muvwvrpu
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Yeah, pretty ridiculous to post good things about a rider you like in said rider's thread, when it's much better to post bad things about other riders in their threads
That said, it doesn't make much sense to look at UCI rankings. They're also wrong half of the time, because they fail to understand their own points system.
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Spare me the irony. The point is that calling up data and rankings to gauge performances is an attempt at making subjective preference having an objective quality assessment. I would find it cringy even if it was about another rider.Yeah, pretty ridiculous to post good things about a rider you like in said rider's thread, when it's much better to post bad things about other riders in their threads
That said, it doesn't make much sense to look at UCI rankings. They're also wrong half of the time, because they fail to understand their own points system.
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For a split nanosecond, he could have crashed into Kuss and deliver the Vuelta to Roglic.
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