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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

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CyclistAbi said:
Well, in my honest opinion, they should have offered Roglič Tour leadership. In my opinion that would be doable, keeping both. Now i guess Jonas, Remco and Kuss can fight it off internally. Rogla will then just have to fight with them more directly. On who will came on top. Jonas already won 2. Historically speaking it is known, on what the limits are. We'll see.
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Why should the 2 time tour champion share leadership with others riders, specially when he is the strongest? That doesn't make sense. Roglic should go to another team, to be a undisputed leader.
Jumbo doesn't own anything to Roglic, and Roglic doesn't own anything to jumbo.

Even without Roglic, the team already have to many ambitions, because they need also to make van aert happy in the tour.
 
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Why should the team ... Individual riders should comply. It's as simple as that. Why? Well. I feel that i answered you that one already. Because the team can easily end up wit 0 GT's won in some future season. Maybe sooner that one would expect. No way are Rogla and Pogi not going to win GT's any more. In the foreseeable future. If we focus only on that two riders.

On top of that they won't ever have as patient champion as Rogla was. With all that crap about winning together. They could only afford it due to Rogla being a grand champ. Now it will likely look rather silly, when such things will get mentioned. At the board of directors and beyond. Tell it to the Belgium, or Denmark, for example.
 
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Froome said:
Why should the 2 time tour champion share leadership with others riders, specially when he is the strongest? That doesn't make sense. Roglic should go to another team, to be a undisputed leader.
Jumbo doesn't own anything to Roglic, and Roglic doesn't own anything to jumbo.

Even without Roglic, the team already have to many ambitions, because they need also to make van aert happy in the tour.
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The moment Vingegaard said he was doing the Vuelta, Roglic’s fate was probably sealed at JV. If Roglic wins, then he would have demanded Tour support on an equal level with Vingegaard. If he finished behind Vingegaard, then he’s left with scraps, I.e. the GTs that Vingegaard didn’t want to do.

The only outcome that might have persuaded Roglic to stay at Visma is if he podiumed weakly but didn’t win, and Vingegaard collapsed. AND Remco won. Visma could make the case that Roglic is needed to deal with both Remco and Pogacar at the tour as a super, super dom.

All that said he deserves a couple more clear shots at the Tour as a protected leader. Even if he doesn’t win he can definitely podium again.
 
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Bolder said:
The moment Vingegaard said he was doing the Vuelta, Roglic’s fate was probably sealed at JV. If Roglic wins, then he would have demanded Tour support on an equal level with Vingegaard. If he finished behind Vingegaard, then he’s left with scraps, I.e. the GTs that Vingegaard didn’t want to do.

The only outcome that might have persuaded Roglic to stay at Visma is if he podiumed weakly but didn’t win, and Vingegaard collapsed. AND Remco won. Visma could make the case that Roglic is needed to deal with both Remco and Pogacar at the tour as a super, super dom.

All that said he deserves a couple more clear shots at the Tour as a protected leader. Even if he doesn’t win he can definitely podium again.
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Roglic knew since december that vingegaard was going to do the vuelta. Grischa niermann said that.

In my opinion, Roglic deserves to be undisputed leader in the tour, in another team.

Even if Vingegaard finished behind roglic, the situation for the tour 2024, would not change.

Jumbo is a very cientific team. They know that vingegaard can push more watts and be more consistent than Roglic. Actually vingegaard, probably in terms of pure watts, is the most stronger rider in the world. So, they know where is the "money" to continue to beat pogacar and win the tour de france again.
 
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Froome said:
Why should the 2 time tour champion share leadership with others riders, specially when he is the strongest? That doesn't make sense. Roglic should go to another team, to be a undisputed leader.
Jumbo doesn't own anything to Roglic, and Roglic doesn't own anything to jumbo.

Even without Roglic, the team already have to many ambitions, because they need also to make van aert happy in the tour.
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They don't.
 
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noob said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1717114161128214708
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This! I don't understand why he had to go with all black and a turtleneck at that! He really looks like a villain :joycat: :joycat: :joycat:
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noob said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1717114161128214708
View: https://twitter.com/saddleblaze/status/1717114161128214708

This! I don't understand why he had to go with all black and a turtleneck at that! He really looks like a villain :joycat: :joycat: :joycat:
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It's really open season on Vingegaard among these cycling "journalists". At some point it ceases to be funny and it becomes downright disrespectful. Imagine anyone saying something similar about Pogacar or Roglic, their respective fandoms would be livid...
 
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VayaVayaVaya said:
I disagree with the masses and think his dominance in the Tour, strong early season, and impact on the Vuelta earned him the Velo d’Or.
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You're not a genious just because you disagree with the masses. Sometimes they really are a depository of common sense. And as far as Velo d'Or is concerned, no way any objective account could provide Vingegaard with the win.
 
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Elos Anjos said:
You're not a genious just because you disagree with the masses. Sometimes they really are a depository of common sense. And as far as Velo d'Or is concerned, no way any objective account could provide Vingegaard with the win.
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Two sentences, two logical fallacies. Very nice. Straw man = I said I was a genious (I did not). The second sentence is just labeling a subjective stance objective. If I said the objective criteria was winning the Tour de France by more than 5 minutes over a previous Tour winner, that would be objective. You might disagree with it, but that disagreement, of course, is subjective.
 
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theyoungest said:
It's really open season on Vingegaard among these cycling "journalists". At some point it ceases to be funny and it becomes downright disrespectful. Imagine anyone saying something similar about Pogacar or Roglic, their respective fandoms would be livid...
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I thought it was tradition to mock cyclists "normal clothes" fashion sense at the TdF presentation, as we normally only see them in various colours of lycra with random sponsors names across them, to see them normally is quite unusual.

Personally I thought he was more Milk Tray ad man, but I realise you have to be of a certain vintage and British to get that reference 😉
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It's really open season on Vingegaard among these cycling "journalists". At some point it ceases to be funny and it becomes downright disrespectful. Imagine anyone saying something similar about Pogacar or Roglic, their respective fandoms would be livid...
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I think the main reason Vingegaard fans are relatively chill about it is, that they know he doesn't give a crap about his public image, and criticism on SoMe or in media doesn't phase him at all ;)
 
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