Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Salvarani]

If he is doing gran camiño and Tirreno adriatico, it would surely make sense to do Strade bianche in between right?

Or Jaen before Gran Camino.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

If he is doing gran camiño and Tirreno adriatico, it would surely make sense to do Strade bianche in between right?

The smartest thing he can do is to avoid Strade and keep people guessing on how good he'll be on the gravel stage in the Tour, unless he's extremely confident in his own abilities.

 

[scribers]

Sort of like a sneaky Vingo

 

[tobydawq]

While the failure of his opponents to stop his dominance can be boring, I think it's crazy to call him boring (on the bike). Just list his attacks (and how far out they have been) through this season. Attacking on Tourmalet with 50 km to go after already gaining a solid buffer the day before? Boring.

Next you'll tell me that Froome's raid over Finestre was boring.

I think it was pretty obvious that it was his personality, not his racing, that made him boring to DE.

Although I too find it a bit boring seeing a rider who I don't like never ever having a bad day. Kind of like Armstrong, really. That's not Vingegaard's fault, though.

 

[Boehmand]

Christmas bonus for the Vingegaard fans out there:

https://lanternerouge.com/2023/12/23/the-top-10-climbing-performances-of-2023/

 

[Netserk]

Christmas bonus for the Vingegaard fans out there:

https://lanternerouge.com/2023/12/23/the-top-10-climbing-performances-of-2023/

We are so back? Nah, we past that.

 

[Froome]

Christmas bonus for the Vingegaard fans out there:

https://lanternerouge.com/2023/12/23/the-top-10-climbing-performances-of-2023/

The top 10 climbing performances of 2023=top 10 performances by vingegaard in 2023.

 

[scribers]

Nothing to see here

 

[CyclistAbi]

I tend to take graphs and predictions from LR with a grain of salt. Considering their affiliation and predictions in regards to 2023 season. For me Angliru was much more telling. On how things stand.

 

[theyoungest]

The top 10 climbing performances of 2023=top 10 performances by vingegaard in 2023.

But he's so boring!

 

[Froome]

But he's so boring!

It's more fun wait for the last 500 meters.

 

[scribers]

I tend to take graphs and predictions from LR with a grain of salt. Considering their affiliation and predictions in regards to 2023 season. For me Angliru was much more telling. On how things stand.

what do you mean exactly? about affiliations, predictions, and angliru

 

[Samu Cuenca]

what do you mean exactly? about affiliations, predictions, and angliru

CyclistAbi is still butthurt, because Lanterne Rouge published a ranking ahead of this season in which they questioned Roglič, due to the fact that his level was uncertain after the bad luck and injuries that had plagued his last couple of seasons. At the time, this seemed a quite reasonable take to other posters, but instead of just being happy that Roglič proved them wrong, CA will still not let the opportunity to reference it pass him by.

 

[scribers]

Their logic is often broken and inexperienced, but I can generally appreciate the effort. And they know they are often wrong. Sometimes you gotta get it out there to figure out what's right.

My personal reference is to listen to LR stage predictions, then listen to Bruyneels. It's often like night and day. And it's creepy how often Bruyneel is right!

 

[CyclistAbi]

what do you mean exactly? about affiliations, predictions, and angliru

Predictions:

Top 10 Climbers for the 2023 Season - Lanterne Rouge

The 2022 cycling season was full of top level climbing performances with many records broken and new climbers bursting onto the scene. The list of Top 10 climbing performances of 2022 was dominated by Evenepoel and Vingegaard but will the same riders dominate the long ascents in WorldTour races...

lanternerouge.com

Affiliations:

Team Visma | Lease a Bike adds Patrick Broe to coaching staff

Team Visma | Lease a Bike has added Patrick Broe to its coaching staff. Broe, who is also known as the creator of the podcast Lanterne Rouge, had already…

www.teamjumbovisma.com

Angliru:

La Vuelta Ciclista a España 2023 Stage 17 results

Primož RogliÄ is the winner of La Vuelta Ciclista a España 2023 Stage 17, before Jonas Vingegaard and Sepp Kuss. Sepp Kuss was leader in GC.

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[CyclistAbi]

CyclistAbi is still butthurt, because Lanterne Rouge published a ranking ahead of this season in which they questioned Roglič, due the fact that he's level was uncertain after the bad luck and injuries that had plagued his last couple of seasons. At the time, this seemed a quite reasonable take to other posters, but instead of just being happy that Roglič proved them wrong, CA will still not let the opportunity to reference it pass him by.

I knew something was off, now i know on why. And it's not just that, predictions. Back then i still watched race recaps by LR on YT. And noticed a shift in regards to Rogla. I wondered on why.

P.S. Well now it's not important any more. Somebody named for example Hans doing YT videos for Bora can again praise Rogla. I will just watch that instead.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Yeah I’ll be curious to see how they rank going into 2024. They seem to have flipped slightly from Roglic fans to Roglic pessimists / detractors, but they have been pretty accurate about Vingegaard’s level, likely because they had access to training data. I think Roglic is one of those whose training data is not as predictive, which they can’t understand. Surely, though, they will have Roglic in top 3 going into 2024. I’d have him at #2 behind Vingegaard.

 

[scribers]

Predictions:

Top 10 Climbers for the 2023 Season - Lanterne Rouge

The 2022 cycling season was full of top level climbing performances with many records broken and new climbers bursting onto the scene. The list of Top 10 climbing performances of 2022 was dominated by Evenepoel and Vingegaard but will the same riders dominate the long ascents in WorldTour races...

lanternerouge.com

Affiliations:

Team Visma | Lease a Bike adds Patrick Broe to coaching staff

Team Visma | Lease a Bike has added Patrick Broe to its coaching staff. Broe, who is also known as the creator of the podcast Lanterne Rouge, had already…

www.teamjumbovisma.com

Angliru:

La Vuelta Ciclista a España 2023 Stage 17 results

Primož RogliÄ is the winner of La Vuelta Ciclista a España 2023 Stage 17, before Jonas Vingegaard and Sepp Kuss. Sepp Kuss was leader in GC.

www.procyclingstats.com

Is Benji also on the payroll? The live chat was weird while jumbo was imploding on the angliru. Eventually, after much pain, they finally started to criticize Jumbo tactics.

 

[scribers]

Benji also had difficulty with Jumbo not winning the UCI team points category at the end of the year. Jumbo was the best team in his mind. But hey, he is Belgian, so I can at least understand the bias with a benelux squad over UAE

 

[CyclistAbi]

Is Benji also on the payroll? The live chat was weird while jumbo was imploding on the angliru. Eventually, after much pain, they finally started to criticize Jumbo tactics.

AFAIK he used to work for JV yes. Note that i don't blame them. I just had some answers and they got answered, for me. On top of that and hopefully we will have Hans, affiliated with Bora, too. As my go to YT channel, for some bed time stories.

 

[scribers]

Yeah I’ll be curious to see how they rank going into 2024. They seem to have flipped slightly from Roglic fans to Roglic pessimists / detractors, but they have been pretty accurate about Vingegaard’s level, likely because they had access to training data. I think Roglic is one of those whose training data is not as predictive, which they can’t understand. Surely, though, they will have Roglic in top 3 going into 2024. I’d have him at #2 behind Vingegaard.

Until I see Vingo do the things at other time of the year that he did in July, I am going with there is no training data available to tell the real predictive story.

 

[Froome]

Yeah I’ll be curious to see how they rank going into 2024. They seem to have flipped slightly from Roglic fans to Roglic pessimists / detractors, but they have been pretty accurate about Vingegaard’s level, likely because they had access to training data. I think Roglic is one of those whose training data is not as predictive, which they can’t understand. Surely, though, they will have Roglic in top 3 going into 2024. I’d have him at #2 behind Vingegaard.

Probably roglic will be third, pogacar second, Vingegaard first.

 

[theyoungest]

Benji also had difficulty with Jumbo not winning the UCI team points category at the end of the year. Jumbo was the best team in his mind. But hey, he is Belgian, so I can at least understand the bias with a benelux squad over UAE

Yes, Belgians have a great bias in favour of Dutch teams

I think no reasonable person would consider UAE's season better than Jumbo's. They did top the UCI ranking though, something they clearly aimed for, and they succeeded.

Yeah I’ll be curious to see how they rank going into 2024. They seem to have flipped slightly from Roglic fans to Roglic pessimists / detractors, but they have been pretty accurate about Vingegaard’s level, likely because they had access to training data. I think Roglic is one of those whose training data is not as predictive, which they can’t understand. Surely, though, they will have Roglic in top 3 going into 2024. I’d have him at #2 behind Vingegaard.

I don't think Jumbo share training data with them. What they did know, probably, is that Roglic was pretty far behind in his training, coming into the season, due to his surgery. His team never expected him to win Tirreno, for instance.

 

[scribers]

If you think the season is all GT then of course you would think jumbo was the best team

 

[Froome]

If you think the season is all GT then of course you would think jumbo was the best team

The season is not just GT, but guess what, it's not just one day races.