Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[The Clogger]

You don’t find his interactions with Pogacar at the end of stages at all unusual and more focused on his family than congratulating opponents than is the norm? My wife and kids are the most important thing in the world to me by far but I still situationally center others of course.

Edit: I also don’t expect my wife and kids to center me at all times, nor do they.

It sounds more like you’re mad that your favorite rider didn’t win. Get a grip, would you

 

[Extinction]

It's all about "wholesomeness" PR and nauseating sentimentalism. I miss the days when at most a rider would be allowed up the road to hug his mère.

 

[RedheadDane]

It's all about "wholesomeness" PR and nauseating sentimentalism. I miss the days when at most a rider would be allowed up the road to hug his mère.

You always talk about how "great" the old days were.
It's almost as if riders are people, with families.

 

[Extinction]

You always talk about how "great" the old days were.
It's almost as if riders are people, with families.

Roll your eyes all you want, but the racing really was "great". Riders wives and families are nice and all, but frankly all the sentimentalism is unseamly (and this goes for so much of celebritydom today).

 

[RedheadDane]

Roll your eyes all you want, but the racing really was "great". Riders wives and families are nice and all, but frankly all the sentimentalism is unseamly.

Racing is great now. And if having their families nearby help riders race their best, all the better!

 

[Netserk]

Sport is to a large extent symbolic warfare. When the troops are dispatched, women and children are left behind.

 

[Extinction]

Racing is great now. And if having their families nearby help riders race their best, all the better!

They've always been nearby, but once discretion and modesty were imperative. Today it seems you have to let the world know how much you love your wife, your kids, your pet dog. I'm not a fan of this sort of exhibitionism. As "great" as racing is now, it was more naive and spectacular back then. I'm sorry you're too young to have experienced it.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Sport is to a large extent symbolic warfare. When the troops are dispatched, women and children are left behind.

Not get all esoteric (and argue against myself), but per Tacitus, the ancient Germans’ wives and children actually went with the troops and wailed from nearby to encourage their men not to be cowards. Or something like that. Granted, at the time, they were getting crushed by the professional Roman army, which I don’t think brought families.

 

[theyoungest]

You don’t find his interactions with Pogacar at the end of stages at all unusual and more focused on his family than congratulating opponents than is the norm? My wife and kids are the most important thing in the world to me by far but I still situationally center others of course.

Edit: I also don’t expect my wife and kids to center me at all times, nor do they.

Some people (a lot of people, actually) have difficulty understanding an introvert. Vingegaard is an introvert. His wife is very important to him in dealing with all the pressure of pro cycling. Remember, this is a guy who in his first year as a pro lost the leader's jersey in the Tour of Poland because he just couldn't deal with it. He has found a way, this is his way, fine.

Apparently "the norm" is the happy go lucky Pogacar type. That's fine as well, mind you, but it's not Vingegaard. He's staying true to himself, which is all you can ask for.

 

[RedheadDane]

I'm sorry you're too young to have experienced it.

I don't think I missed anything.

 

[Extinction]

I don't think I missed anything.

Well, you've just won a Nobel Prize for generational hubris and willful circumscription.

 

[Extinction]

Not get all esoteric (and argue against myself), but per Tacitus, the ancient Germans’ wives and children actually went with the troops and wailed from nearby to encourage their men not to be cowards. Or something like that. Granted, at the time, they were getting crushed by the professional Roman army, which I don’t think brought families.

Tacitus discusses the role of women in chapters 7 and 8, mentioning that they often accompany the men to battle and offer encouragement.

But maybe this wasn't such a good idea.

 

[RedheadDane]

Well, you've just won a Nobel Prize for generational hubris and willful circumscription.

Now we get great racing and cute pictures.
Win-win situation!

 

[Extinction]

Now we get great racing and cute pictures.
Win-win situation!

Oh, how droll, how very, very droll.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

It sounds more like you’re mad that your favorite rider didn’t win. Get a grip, would you

I see how you could think that, but, no, that’s not why. I also find it annoying when American sports heroes go on and on about Jesus this and Jesus that after winning a big game. Just not my stylistic preference. I am sure Vingegaard, his family, and the American athletes are all great people and I wish them the best. I just prefer when athletes focus on the arena and the competitors and teammates in there with them. Not a huge deal.

 

[pelotonIQ]

You don’t find his interactions with Pogacar at the end of stages at all unusual and more focused on his family than congratulating opponents than is the norm? My wife and kids are the most important thing in the world to me by farI still situationally center others of course.

Edit: I also don’t expect my wife and kids to center me at all times, nor do they.

Maybe he has to that in order to get permission from the missus

Jokes aside. You're comparing apples to oranges. Vingegaard is married, has a child and his wife is involved & commited in assisting him reach his goals.

On the other hand, Pogas partner is also pursuing her professional cycling career which means she has other priorities.

With these facts on the table I hope it maybe makes sense to you why Vinge once in a while gives credit & appreciation to his wife in interviews.

 

[RedheadDane]

Jokes aside. You're comparing apples to oranges. Vingegaard is married, has a child and his wife is involved & commited in assisting him reach his goals.

On the other hand, Pogas partner is also pursuing her professional cycling career which means she has other priorities.

Even if they hadn't gotten married, the above would still stand.

Otoh, I'd go as far as saying that it would actually be really disrespectful of Pogacar if he was calling Zigart after each win.

 

[tobydawq]

I don't think I missed anything.

Lol.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Even if they hadn't gotten married, the above would still stand.

Otoh, I'd go as far as saying that it would actually be really disrespectful of Pogacar if he was calling Zigart after each win.

So is it then respectful to instead call her after each loss?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Even if they hadn't gotten married, the above would still stand.

Otoh, I'd go as far as saying that it would actually be really disrespectful of Pogacar if he was calling Zigart after each win.

I would find it more disrespectful if he was calling Trine or Jonas was calling Urška.

 

[RedheadDane]

So is it then respectful to instead call her after each loss?

No, coz that would still make everything about his career.

I would find it more disrespectful if he was calling Trine or Jonas was calling Urška.

Sure, but my main point was that the disrespect would be towards Zigart.
BTW, even if a rider's partner has a regular 9-5 job, it would still be disrespectful to constantly disturb them.

 

[pelotonIQ]

No, coz that would still make everything about his career.

I was refering to Jonas now and again giving some credit to his wife during interviews.

You're talking about telephone calls which is a whole other topic.

 

[RedheadDane]

I was refering to Jonas now and again giving some credit to his wife during interviews.

You're talking about telephone calls which is a whole other topic.

Ah, I thought you were commenting on VayaVayaVaya's complaint that he always calls his wife after each win.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Ah, I thought you were commenting on VayaVayaVaya's complaint that he always calls his wife after each win.

To be clear, I have no problem with him calling his wife after every win, it’s the immediacy of the calls, the centering of his family (thus himself in a way) over his competitors that I find strange. Many of them have wives and kids and mentors and loved ones, but Vingegaard is unique in the extent that he feels compelled to center them. You saw it in the Vuelta too in the stage he secured permission to go against the team plan (ride for Roglic) and instead ride for, ostensibly someone else (I can’t remember who). Again, this doesn’t mean I am against matrimony or riders having lives, etc.

 

[Kazistuta]

To be clear, I have no problem with him calling his wife after every win, it’s the immediacy of the calls, the centering of his family (thus himself in a way) over his competitors that I find strange. Many of them have wives and kids and mentors and loved ones, but Vingegaard is unique in the extent that he feels compelled to center them. You saw it in the Vuelta too in the stage he secured permission to go against the team plan (ride for Roglic) and instead ride for, ostensibly someone else (I can’t remember who). Again, this doesn’t mean I am against matrimony or riders having lives, etc.

So he wanted to win for his best mate on the Visma Team, Van Hoydonck, after the latter ones almost fatal heart failure and car rash, and that talks against his character?