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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

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They're obviously pushing him to be at close to his best as possible for July if they're sending him to altitude now. They can talk all they want about prioritizing the long term and day by day, but the plan is clear to push full gas to get the best possible shape for Le tour, even if he won't be at his 2022/2023 level.

You don't send a rider targeting la Vuelta to altitude on 28th may after 21 days of rebuild training, following a month in hospital

They haven't given up hope for the Tour yet. Otherwise a normal non-altitude training would be enough if Vuelta was the main goal. That being said, I don't think they want Vingo to lose his aura so they will send him to the Tour only if they think he has a shot at victory (even if his form is lower than in the previous years), maybe some tests in late June will decide it.
 
Nevertheless being in altitude now, could mean the lungs are good right? Unless they are making in suffer. I don't believe it.
Lungs take a long time to heal, same with the ribs which could make it difficult to breathe. Now add in he’s finally returning to normal training and the altitude equals trouble breathing. They could be suffering/sacrificing for the greater good of winning the Tour. I don’t believe someone is in the ICU for almost 2 weeks taking up a much needed bed when they don’t need it.
 
I mean even if Visma decides and goes ahead with Jonas, participating at the Tour 2024, chances for overall are in my opinion still slim. So not the very best option in regards to GC. If they instead decide to target stage wins, here the problem is breakaway stage wins are really not a thing any more. Their best bet would hence be somebody like Kooij and to bring a sprint train. Still chances here are not all that optimistic either, as sprinters at Tour are on very high level. So maybe stage hunting with van Aert, on where still a question mark if he is currently really up for it, due to the injuries.
 
Lungs take a long time to heal, same with the ribs which could make it difficult to breathe. Now add in he’s finally returning to normal training and the altitude equals trouble breathing. They could be suffering/sacrificing for the greater good of winning the Tour. I don’t believe someone is in the ICU for almost 2 weeks taking up a much needed bed when they don’t need it.
Your point makes absolutely sense, but it's difficult for me to believe they will "sacrifice" him.

Vingegaard is they're main rider for next years, it would be really bad sacrifice him now, when he is still young and can win more in the future.
 
I mean even if Visma decides and goes ahead with Jonas, participating at the Tour 2024, chances for overall are in my opinion still slim. So not the very best option in regards to GC. If they instead decide to target stage wins, here the problem is breakaway stage wins are really not a thing any more. Their best bet would hence be somebody like Kooij and to bring a sprint train. Still chances here are not all that optimistic either, as sprinters at Tour are on very high level. So maybe stage hunting with van Aert, on where still a question mark if he is currently really up for it, due to the injuries.
@CyclistAbi don’t take things for granted, you should prepare for what's coming in July. A Vingo stomp to Roglic from far will happen.
 
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Your point makes absolutely sense, but it's difficult for me to believe they will "sacrifice" him.

Vingegaard is they're main rider for next years, it would be really bad sacrifice him now, when he is still young and can win more in the future.
It could be a lot of factors going into the decision;
He could have been not that injured,
He could have recovered faster than expected,
He could be recovering slower than expected,
The team could think he can come in with average form so to speak and ride into top shape at the end and win,
Team could not think highly of the competition bar Pogacar and think he has a chance no matter his shape since Pog has the Giro in his legs,
Team/management could be worried this season would be deemed a failure after coming off the best season a team has had,
It could be PR so the others don’t focus on Kuss and Matteo if Vinge starts,
It could be the other forum related,
or it could be they will try the Tour and if push comes to shove change focus to the Vuelta.
There can even be more than this.



I think it’s a combination between of multiple factors. If he does win I also think they’ll push this hard like Armstrong and LeMond coming back from their setbacks.
 
He's had a worse injury before, and I haven't seen that one pushed.
You’re talking about the 2017 femur right? He didn’t amount to anything back then and had 5 seasons to recover to make his GC bid at 2021 Tour. These injuries happened during his reign and season. There’s no way the team isn’t going to push any positive results for the Tour. All last year Visma was spouting stuff for how they’re so much better, why wouldn’t they hype up Vignegaard returning and winning the Tour after he’d been written off by the majority.
 
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The real question is did Jonas log that wood, before taking of to altitude. If yes, then that is some severe attitude right there.
 
Is Sepp Kuss going to the Tour?

If he is, his role could be really remarkable, splitted leadership with Jonas? Kuss could give some room for Vingo in first stages to grow into the full strength , putting some pressure for example against Pogi who may be cautious in first half, because he doesn't know how his body takes two gt's back to back. Or Jonas (and VWA?) supporting Sepp in second half if he can't stay in GC early losing final game?

I think this is interesting strategic setting and how for example Roglic and Evenepoel smell this and try to benefit for themselves.
 
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Is Sepp Kuss going to the Tour?

If he is, his role could be really remarkable, splitted leadership with Jonas? Kuss could give some room for Vingo in first stages to grow into the full strength , putting some pressure for example against Pogi who may be cautious in first half, because he doesn't know how his body takes two gt's back to back. Or Jonas (and VWA?) supporting Sepp in second half if he can't stay in GC early losing final game?

I think this is interesting strategic setting and how for example Roglic and Evenepoel smell this and try to benefit for themselves.
Kuss can't put any pressure on Pogacar when he has Almeida, Yates and Ayuso to back him. The only way for Vingegaard to win is by being able to follow Pogi since day one.
 
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