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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

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Because Vingegaard had a worse injury that affects his training output, stamina, and breathing.
But he also had more time to come back from that injury.

Look, I'm not trying to say that he will be at 100%. I just think that this nonsense about how he can enter the tour at whatever% and than get better by the third week is a bunch of crap. Not in todays cycling when they go full gas every day.

Bad preparation has a tendency to show late into the GT. I believe he will start and if he does his numbers will be good enough for him to think he can win it all. The real problem IMO will be sustaining that form for 3 long weeks with the kind of preparation he had.
 
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But he also had more time to come back from that injury.

Look, I'm not trying to say that he will be at 100%. I just think that this nonsense about how he can enter the tour at whatever% and than get better by the third week is a bunch of crap. Not in todays cycling when they go full gas every day.

Bad preparation has a tendency to show late into the GT. I believe he will start and if he does his numbers will be good enough for him to think he can win it all. The real problem IMO will be sustaining that form for 3 long weeks with the kind of preparation he had.
But he also had a far worse injury that takes longer to recover from and directly hampers his training and intensity.
 
But he also had a far worse injury that takes longer to recover from and directly hampers his training and intensity.
Again, I'm not arguing about who had a worse injury. I'm just saying that if he starts he will probably be at his best in the first two weeks and not in the third week like some here had suggested.
 
Again, I'm not arguing about who had a worse injury. I'm just saying that if he starts he will probably be at his best in the first two weeks and not in the third week like some here had suggested.
And in order to be in just best shape he needs to be able to properly train. I don’t think he’s had enough or maybe even started to properly train yet like he would if he hadn’t been injured. Only way I see him being close or at his best is if you could see him from a different universe.
 
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Gamblers have Vinegaard back on the board for the TDF at ~ 2 to 1. They think if he starts the race, he will have the best shot of anyone at beating Pogi.

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So baby on the way or why such certainty that at Vuelta Jonas will be busy with family matters?
From what I've read and reading between the lines, it seems the crash and recovery have been a strain on the family. Vingegaard's family are like a safety valve from his "autistic spectrum" type behaviour. It would be unusual if there were not problems (just think of Pogacar and his wanting to leave the Tour when Urska was in hospital). These are human beings after all and not cycling automatons.
 
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Gamblers have Vinegaard back on the board for the TDF at ~ 2 to 1. They think if he starts the race, he will have the best shot of anyone at beating Pogi.

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Makes sense to me. Under normal circumstances only he can beat Pogacar (assuming the Slovenian doesn't fade after the Giro). Now obviously things are looking much more complicated for him but if he starts it means he has at least decent form.
 
So Pogi wins the Tour just like that, it's a gift then.

He still has to race it and win it, against whomever is there. Of course it's a nicer competition with Vingegaard present, but if he can't put up the fight needed, that's also "a gift" to Pogi.

The reason to do the Tour or not should be based on what he can realistically be expected to achieve. He's not a conservative rider, but I doubt he'd like to demote himself to Stage hunter after dominating for 2 years.

So if the Tour win does not seem realistic on participation why would he race just to make Pogacars win better?
 
But he also had more time to come back from that injury.

Look, I'm not trying to say that he will be at 100%. I just think that this nonsense about how he can enter the tour at whatever% and than get better by the third week is a bunch of crap. Not in todays cycling when they go full gas every day.

Bad preparation has a tendency to show late into the GT. I believe he will start and if he does his numbers will be good enough for him to think he can win it all. The real problem IMO will be sustaining that form for 3 long weeks with the kind of preparation he had.
There is a risk Vingegaard will fade or have a breakdown. But not automaticaly. Van Aert proved it a few years ago. After appendicitis and surgery, the recovery, starting to ride carefully and finally training during the second half of June, Van Aert went to the Tour without Dauphiné or Tour de Suisse. Performing moderate the first week, and then start riding astonishingly strong. Resulting in three stagewins and great helper work.
So, everything is possible. Being destroyed by Pogacar, maybe even Roglic and others. But equally hurt the weakening Pogacar (because of his Girofatigue) during the last week.
 
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Cyrille Guimard gives his 2 cents worth on Vingegaard & Visma -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-a-espana-instead-for-recovering-visma-leader
"To be honest, and even if we don't have all the facts, I don't see how he could play a leading role in the Tour de France."

"You can't get back to the top level in a month and a half, there's no such thing," Guimard concludes his assessment. "Overall, the team is in great difficulty, but that's not down to them, it's down to events. There are years when it happens like that. We just have to sit tight and wait."
Original article in French at
https://www.cyclismactu.net/news-td...91.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
There is a risk Vingegaard will fade or have a breakdown. But not automaticaly. Van Aert proved it a few years ago. After appendicitis and surgery, the recovery, starting to ride carefully and finally training during the second half of June, Van Aert went to the Tour without Dauphiné or Tour de Suisse. Performing moderate the first week, and then start riding astonishingly strong. Resulting in three stagewins and great helper work.
So, everything is possible. Being destroyed by Pogacar, maybe even Roglic and others. But equally hurt the weakening Pogacar (because of his Girofatigue) during the last week.
Well, according to the coach of Visma if Vingegaard starts the Tour, he will not fade during the 3 weeks.

I believe if Visma let him start the Tour, that's because he will be in good shape. If not, he will not go the Tour.
 
From what I've read and reading between the lines, it seems the crash and recovery have been a strain on the family. Vingegaard's family are like a safety valve from his "autistic spectrum" type behaviour. It would be unusual if there were not problems (just think of Pogacar and his wanting to leave the Tour when Urska was in hospital). These are human beings after all and not cycling automatons.

Could be but this IMHO wouldn't explain on why forcing Tour and not doing Vuelta would make that much sense.

Well, according to the coach of Visma if Vingegaard starts the Tour, he will not fade during the 3 weeks.

I believe if Visma let him start the Tour, that's because he will be in good shape. If not, he will not go the Tour.

Based on all that was said, especially that Vuelta is not an option, they will likely force the Tour participation and when it backfires nobody to take responsibility for it. Besides obviously Jonas that won't be able to avoid the scrutiny and will be affected the most. But OK, it's life. In such case i do believe Giro to be a possibility, for the 2025 season. Giro did wonders in regards to Rogla and Pogi. Jonas could be next in line, then Remco? We'll see.
 
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Could be but this IMHO wouldn't explain on why forcing Tour and not doing Vuelta would make that much sense.



Based on all that was said, especially that Vuelta is not an option, they will likely force the Tour participation and when it backfires nobody to take responsibility for it. Besides obviously Jonas that won't be able to avoid the scrutiny and will be affected the most. But OK, it's life. In such case i do believe Giro to be a possibility, for the 2025 season. Giro did wonders in regards to Rogla and Pogi. Jonas could be next in line, then Remco? We'll see.
Remco has tried the Giro twice already.
 
If Jonas does participates, then Pogi likely to go in full revenge mode at Galibier, Rogla profiting from it the most. In my opinion Rogla could benefit from a hard first week, so fingers crossed i guess. Although said that i would prefer to see Rogla beating healthy and in form Jonas at Vuelta. So to tackle Pogi at the Tour and Jonas at Vuelta.

I know, you can't have everything.
 
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Could be but this IMHO wouldn't explain on why forcing Tour and not doing Vuelta would make that much sense.



Based on all that was said, especially that Vuelta is not an option, they will likely force the Tour participation and when it backfires nobody to take responsibility for it. Besides obviously Jonas that won't be able to avoid the scrutiny and will be affected the most. But OK, it's life. In such case i do believe Giro to be a possibility, for the 2025 season. Giro did wonders in regards to Rogla and Pogi. Jonas could be next in line, then Remco? We'll see.
If he doesn't do any GT this year, I don't think he'll force it to try the double next year.
He will most probably go to the Tour in order to claim back his title and got to the Vuelta.

Then he'll try the Giro in 2026
 
If he doesn't do any GT this year, I don't think he'll force it to try the double next year.
He will most probably go to the Tour in order to claim back his title and got to the Vuelta.

Then he'll try the Giro in 2026

I don't believe he won't do a GT in 2024 season. So if they ruled Vuelta out, that leaves the Tour, on where he will likely suffer. That likely pushing him to compete at Giro 2025. We'll see.
 
So Matxin gets into the mind games too -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-matxin-laughs-off-vismas-talk-of-5050-chance
"No, I am sure Jonas will be at the start of the Tour. In top form. And even if he is only 95 per cent ready at the start, that doesn't say much. Jonas is the type that grows at the Tour.

but ..."The level in cycling is so high that anyone who cannot finish his preparation one hundred per cent pays a price," Matxin recalls. "Then Tadej was not in perfect form. He is going to be now."
 
So Matxin gets into the mind games too -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-matxin-laughs-off-vismas-talk-of-5050-chance
"No, I am sure Jonas will be at the start of the Tour. In top form. And even if he is only 95 per cent ready at the start, that doesn't say much. Jonas is the type that grows at the Tour.

but ..."The level in cycling is so high that anyone who cannot finish his preparation one hundred per cent pays a price," Matxin recalls. "Then Tadej was not in perfect form. He is going to be now."
It is all about Jonas. For them, Roglic doesn't even exist. This is how confident they are in Pogacar, only peak Jonas can avoid Giro-Tour double.