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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

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  • The Chicken who eats Riis for breakfast

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  • The Fishman Cometh

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Ofc its not similar to 2022, but its still a weird ass post. If you bring Vingegaard, you back him and you believe he can win the race if the stars allign. Matteo can't.

They'll have the numbers. The name of the riders will have very little to do with anything, i.e. there's nothing to say Vingegaard is a better option for Visma in this Tour 2024 than Jorgenson is. The path to victory for both probably requires a similar scenario: Pog DNF/mechanical at the wrong time/accident/sudden loss of form or a huge echelon time loss, along with other rivals (Rog, Evenepoel, Rodriguez etc.) not being a level above either. On top of this, Vingegaard will need to rediscover his best form. That's a lot of 'if if if', i.e. just because Vingegaard demolished the TdF in 2022 & 2023, it doesn't mean he has the intrinsic physical capabilities to rise a level above Jorgenson next month considering what happened to him in Itzulia.

It's not like football where even an off-form Messi will deliver some magic in the right conditions. If Vingegaard doesn't have the legs, he'll drop like a rock.
 
They'll have the numbers. The name of the riders will have very little to do with anything, i.e. there's nothing to say Vingegaard is a better option for Visma in this Tour 2024 than Jorgenson is. The path to victory for both probably requires a similar scenario: Pog DNF/mechanical at the wrong time/accident/sudden loss of form or a huge echelon time loss, along with other rivals (Rog, Evenepoel, Rodriguez etc.) not being a level above either. On top of this, Vingegaard will need to rediscover his best form. That's a lot of 'if if if', i.e. just because Vingegaard demolished the TdF in 2022 & 2023, it doesn't mean he has the intrinsic physical capabilities to rise a level above Jorgenson next month considering what happened to him in Itzulia.

It's not like football where even an off-form Messi will deliver some magic in the right conditions. If Vingegaard doesn't have the legs, he'll drop like a rock.
If Vingegaard will not rise above Jorgenson in July, what he is going to do, to the Tour?

Better wait for the first real mountain stage. Only Visma knows Vingegaard's numbers, and the conditions for him to race the Tour were very clear.
 
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If Vingegaard will not rise above Jorgenson in July, what he is going to do, to the Tour?

Better wait for the first real mountain stage. Only Visma knows Vingegaard's numbers, and the conditions for him to race the Tour were very clear.

I think the conversation here is based on Zeeman's most recent comments in which he's suggesting they're changing their criteria for Vingegaard's TdF selection, namely downgrading the previously stated "he should be at 100%".

To me that suggests Jorgenson will be number 1 & Vingegaard will have a 'protected number 2' role with some freedom to grow.

What I don't expect to happen is see Jorgenson working on the front for Vingegaard in week 1 the way we saw all the Jumbo riders work for Vingegaard in the first week of the 2023 Tour (like the Tourmalet stage where they blew the race apart & went all in). Jorgenson will have some protection & ride his own GC chances, IMO.
 
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I think the conversation here is based on Zeeman's most recent comments in which he's suggesting they're changing their criteria for Vingegaard's TdF selection, namely downgrading the previously stated "he should be at 100%".

To me that suggests Jorgenson will be number 1 & Vingegaard will have a 'protected number 2' role with some freedom to grow.

What I don't expect to happen is see Jorgenson working on the front for Vingegaard in week 1 the way we saw all the Jumbo riders work for Vingegaard in the first week of the 2023 Tour (like the Tourmalet stage where they blew the race apart & went all in). Jorgenson will have some protection & ride his own GC chances, IMO.
I like your way of thinking but Jorgeson will likely be behind Kiss in pecking order. Visma will learn quick about what happens if your chain of command org chart is shaped like a mushroom and you have 3 guys as co-captains.
A ship without a clear captain usually ends up on the rocks.
Matteo showing great one day, one week form but he will have to immediately be on the attack in a three week race. But same with Kuss. If Vingegaard is indeed in the toilet or partially in, Remco, Roglic, Visma, will all need to be bold..UAE has 3 guys that can cover moves, even on the best day from Jorgenson or Kuss, Roglic...Remco yet to show he can ride consistently for 3 weeks..2 weeks..1 week..5 days..
 
I think the conversation here is based on Zeeman's most recent comments in which he's suggesting they're changing their criteria for Vingegaard's TdF selection, namely downgrading the previously stated "he should be at 100%".

To me that suggests Jorgenson will be number 1 & Vingegaard will have a 'protected number 2' role with some freedom to grow.

What I don't expect to happen is see Jorgenson working on the front for Vingegaard in week 1 the way we saw all the Jumbo riders work for Vingegaard in the first week of the 2023 Tour (like the Tourmalet stage where they blew the race apart & went all in). Jorgenson will have some protection & ride his own GC chances, IMO.
Its just beyond me how you realistically can look at such comments (which we all knew were stupid and absolute bs too, btw) and come to that conclusion. These words mean nothing, everybody knew that obviously Jonas wasn't going to be 100% going into the race. Jumbo knew but decided to spew nonsense instead and know they retreated that. Good. He won't be 100%. But how close? Thats the question.

That doesn't mean Jorgenson all of a sudden is number 1.

Im not as confident as Netserk that Jorgensen will be used as a donkey (as a matter of fact, Im sure he won't and that role will be put on Kuss) but I find it laughable to think that Jorgensen will be their number 1 if they bring Jonas. That might change during the race, but for now I think its pretty clear that Jonas is 1, Jorgenson 2 and Kuss a distant 3 while you have WVA as well wanting to gun for stages. They have lots of options if one or two of those don't pan out, we don't have any clue how far these guys are off apart from Jorgenson, but we know that he cannot win the race and we know that Jonas CAN. So that should be the first priority if he's decent enough to take the start and they think they can get by for 2 weeks before the real race begins on stage 14.
 
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I think the conversation here is based on Zeeman's most recent comments in which he's suggesting they're changing their criteria for Vingegaard's TdF selection, namely downgrading the previously stated "he should be at 100%".

To me that suggests Jorgenson will be number 1 & Vingegaard will have a 'protected number 2' role with some freedom to grow.

What I don't expect to happen is see Jorgenson working on the front for Vingegaard in week 1 the way we saw all the Jumbo riders work for Vingegaard in the first week of the 2023 Tour (like the Tourmalet stage where they blew the race apart & went all in). Jorgenson will have some protection & ride his own GC chances, IMO.
I didn't interpreted the words of Zeeman in that way. I don't think he mean that.

I don't think it would make sense Vingegaard going to the Tour if Jorgenson will be better than him.
 
I didn't interpreted the words of Zeeman in that way. I don't think he mean that.

I don't think it would make sense Vingegaard going to the Tour if Jorgenson will be better than him.
My interpretation of Zeeman's comments is they simply don't know Vingagaard's shape - including more importantly his psychological shape. Even Jonas Vingegaard doesn't know. My read is Jonas was really shaken by that crash which is understandable. This is the only reason we have any conjecture about Jorgensen.

IMO the safer option would be to let Jonas regain his confidence on the bike by skipping the Tour and doing some lesser races rather than risk another fall.
 
My interpretation of Zeeman's comments is they simply don't know Vingagaard's shape - including more importantly his psychological shape. Even Jonas Vingegaard doesn't know. My read is Jonas was really shaken by that crash which is understandable. This is the only reason we have any conjecture about Jorgensen.

IMO the safer option would be to let Jonas regain his confidence on the bike by skipping the Tour and doing some lesser races rather than risk another fall.
I think Jonas' mental state is the ultimate question. If he goes and loses within a scenario that doesn't break him, then he is primed to pick up where he was for 2025. Whereas not doing the Tour leaves questions.
 
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He is very lean at the moment right?👀

Yeah, i know it's usual saying some rider is lean before an important race.
 
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Great he is starting the race.

The big question is if his ability for recovery is unchanged.

If he is within 3 minutes of Pogacar on the 2nd rest day, I'd normally put money on him to win - but now it's the biggest question of all if he is still better than Pogacar week 3.
 
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