Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[yaco]

Reckon Kooij will wonder how he gets a GT start if Vingegaard does the Giro./DF double.

 

[dazaau]

This is demonstrably false, since just last year he rode both the Tour and the Vuelta and could easily have won both. Vingegaard is not a fragile rider, rather the opposite: his strength is his consistency and his stamina. He looks fragile, that much is true.

For Pogi I think the Giro was clearly an extended training camp for the Tour, and it obviously worked. Something similar could happen for Vingegaard. But Giro or no Giro, I think we'll see a better Vingegaard in the Tour next year, purely because he'll have a way better base as a result from not being in the hospital two months prior to the race.

I disagree. Jonas was not that good in the vuelta, about Roglic level not Tadej level. Good yes, but not outstanding and this is the only really positive example we have.

He is very weak in one day races and in early stage races he is sometimes good and sometimes not.

But time will tell, bit to me it's a risk. I think Pog doing both was a risk, but he got lucky with Jonas crash and then was also shown to be on exceptional level as the double appears to have suited him. Jonas would be gambling to follow surely.

 

[Froome]

Isn't he afraid of Pogacar and he is trying to win the Giro to his season not being a failure? How times change.

Why Vingegaard would be afraid of someone who never beat him in Grand Tours, when there wasn't health issues?

Pneumotorax, broken ribs, 2 weeks in the hospital, collarbone and he still finished more close to Pogacar, than Pogacar to Vingegaard in 2023 just because a "wrist".

I just want no bad luck and a perfect preparation next year. That's enough.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why Vingegaard would be afraid of someone who never beat him in Grand Tours, when there wasn't health issues?

Pneumotorax, broken ribs, 2 weeks in the hospital, collarbone and he still finished more close to Pogacar, than Pogacar to Vingegaard in 2023 just because a "wrist".

I just want no bad luck and a perfect preparation next year. That's enough.

I was kidding, using your argument last year.

 

[Froome]

I was kidding, using your argument last year.

I am still learning about this new cycling.

 

[Salvarani]

Isn't he afraid of Pogacar and he is trying to win the Giro to his season not being a failure? How times change.

The tables turn!

Ducking.

 

[dazaau]

Isn't he afraid of Pogacar and he is trying to win the Giro to his season not being a failure? How times change.

If I recall that was the argument for Pogacar. Were you being facetious?

In the end I think Pogacar just loves variety, and wants to finish his career having won pretty much everything. But I reckon he was willing to risk a tour for a Giro, and perhaps being beaten by Jonas two years running factored into that.

I don't think Jonas is afraid of Pogacar. He can take comfort in the rubbish lead in to this year's tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I was kidding, using your argument last year.

@dazaau

 

[Ilmaestro99]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833451754135888158

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[xo 1]

Hooray, a fourth rancid Giro in a row (assuming Pogacar isn't there) beckons. As I've said before, for every time the happy few do battle there are three where there's only one of them there and the race is a formality. That tradeoff is not worth it at all.

How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.

 

[Offline]

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Make sense, he is not the type of rider that do Giro-Tour double after have lost the Tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Hooray, a fourth rancid Giro in a row (assuming Pogacar isn't there) beckons. As I've said before, for every time the happy few do battle there are three where there's only one of them there and the race is a formality. That tradeoff is not worth it at all.

Do you really think it would have been a better with race with Dani, Geraint and Ben fighting it out? I certainly wouldn't. And just because Jonas decides to show up doesnt necessarily mean that Pog won't. Or Remco or Roglic for that matter.

 

[Valv.Piti]

How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.

2023 was the worst Giro in existance (at least as since 2006-2007 when I started following the race). Pathetic race!

 

[Ilmaestro99]

The 2023 giro was 11 days of the most exciting riders in the race crashing and abandoning, and 10 days of almida, Thomas, Roglic waiting for the final times trial, where Roglic did the best time and won the giro.

It was a really bad edition

2021 was pretty good in my opinion

 

[tobydawq]

How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.

Wut???

 

[tobydawq]

2021 was pretty good in my opinion

Yeah, it bears no comparison with 2022 and 2023. But the fact that we didn't get to see Bernal's attack and raid on Giau probably somehow influences the conception of the race.

 

[proffate]

IMHO this won't end the way it did for Pog. Jonas is a more fragile rider than Pogacar. Jonas is amazing but tends to peak for specific events and then not be so stellar.

I think he is already going to have a fight on his hands for the tour, and going to the giro puts that in jeopardy.

Based on this year he doesn't need to train at all to win the giro (if Pog isn't there). Like literally just lay in bed till mid April. The giro itself should be fine base training with a handful of vo2 intervals and then he'll be ready for the le tour.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.

You can go back to the voting threads at the time to see what the forum thinks of both Giri. Spoiler alert: especially for the 2023 race, you're in a very small minority.

Do you really think it would have been a better with race with Dani, Geraint and Ben fighting it out? I certainly wouldn't. And just because Jonas decides to show up doesnt necessarily mean that Pog won't. Or Remco or Roglic for that matter.

An uninspiring set of GC riders isn't a 100% guarantee of a boring GC battle. The winner being four levels above everyone else is.

 

[Netserk]

I won't believe it until it's confirmed, and I hope it won't be confirmed.

 

[Netserk]

So should we kill them?

I don't think I'm allowed to answer that question.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So should we kill them?

 

[Red Rick]

You can go back to the voting threads at the time to see what the forum thinks of both Giri. Spoiler alert: especially for the 2023 race, you're in a very small minority.

An uninspiring set of GC riders isn't a 100% guarantee of a boring GC battle. The winner being four levels above everyone else is.

It just comes down to people thinking Pogacar and Vingegaard doing 1km mountain sprints is the epicest thing ever but when others do it it's a disgrace.

 

[AmRacer]

https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/whats-the-best-way-winning-gc.39462/

 

[tobydawq]

It just comes down to people thinking Pogacar and Vingegaard doing 1km mountain sprints is the epicest thing ever but when others do it it's a disgrace.

Yes, because that's what they do

 

[SafeBet]

Make sense, he is not the type of rider that do Giro-Tour double after have lost the Tour.

Isn't this exactly what happened last year when Pog was rumored to ride the Giro and everybody was quick to say it wouldn't happen... Only for Pog to be confirmed later?

Sounds like Vegni is cooking and Visma is negotiating a fee.