Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[CyclistAbi]

Side-note: I always knew storks were real but because they are rare in the U.S. and I’ve never seen one, they still always seemed more like fairy tale creatures than something on a bird list. Then I drove through rural Lithuania this summer and saw 4-5 dozen. What a surprise that was! But none were carrying human babies

They are now rather common in Slovenia and often they are seen carrying babies. Especially in cardboard form.

Big four.

 

[stekelegel]

The stork brothers. From left to right, good old primy, happy to still be there, but closest to the edge and falling down (again), then the goat teddy, regal, just behind him Vinny, clearly planning on beating teddy (again) next year and then remmy, the short fat one, but don’t give 5 meters, or you won’t see him again before the finish.

 

[Sciatic]

The stork brothers. From left to right, good old primy, happy to still be there, but closest to the edge and falling down (again), then the goat teddy, regal, just behind him Vinny, clearly planning on beating teddy (again) next year and then remmy, the short fat one, but don’t give 5 meters, or you won’t see him again before the finish.

Ha!

 

[CyclistAbi]

From left to right, good old primy, happy to still be there, but closest to the edge and falling down (again) ...

Once you fell down:

Stork nests are like a kindergarten.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Maybe he dropped it off from the plane.

Had no idea storks would take the plane.
(But ofc seems a good way to save some energy before the race)

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Once you fell down:

Stork nests are like a kindergarten.

I've been on top of Planica hill. It isn't small, that I can telly you. Not wonder all those crashes in cycling are no big deal for Primoz!

 

[bNator]

Sorry for continuing to go off-topic but since we're talking about it... Roglic is a risk taker. A couple of days ago, I read an old article in Slovenian media, where a story was posted how he was known for walking on fences of his hotel balconies when he was in lower categories. I think his lack of fear does contribute to crashing more often...

But to get at leat partially back to this topic, Jonas seems like a pretty bad bike handler to me (based on some videos of him trying to ride without hands) while Roglic can do wheelies on his road bike while clipped in. Yet Jonas has much better crash statistics than Roglic which means being careful/alert might be the most deciding factor for staying crash-free, more than being a good bike handler.

 

[Salvarani]

Sorry for continuing to go off-topic but since we're talking about it... Roglic is a risk taker. A couple of days ago, I read an old article in Slovenian media, where a story was posted how he was known for walking on fences of his hotel balconies when he was in lower categories. I think his lack of fear does contribute to crashing more often...

But to get at leat partially back to this topic, Jonas seems like a pretty bad bike handler to me (based on some videos of him trying to ride without hands) while Roglic can do wheelies on his road bike while clipped in. Yet Jonas has much better crash statistics than Roglic which means being careful/alert might be the most deciding factor for staying crash-free, more than being a good bike handler.

It could definitely be more of a personality thing contributing to it.

 

[Lequack]

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[theyoungest]

Sorry for continuing to go off-topic but since we're talking about it... Roglic is a risk taker. A couple of days ago, I read an old article in Slovenian media, where a story was posted how he was known for walking on fences of his hotel balconies when he was in lower categories. I think his lack of fear does contribute to crashing more often...

But to get at leat partially back to this topic, Jonas seems like a pretty bad bike handler to me (based on some videos of him trying to ride without hands) while Roglic can do wheelies on his road bike while clipped in. Yet Jonas has much better crash statistics than Roglic which means being careful/alert might be the most deciding factor for staying crash-free, more than being a good bike handler.

The "ride without hands" thing has become a bit ridiculous. It has nothing to do with his bike handling. In fact in the previous two Tours it became clear that technically Vingegaard is actually quite good. In the time trials he took quite a bit of risk, not crazy, but certainly on the edge. And during the race, Pogacar tried to drop him a couple of times on the descents but he followed with ease (in fact Pogi nearly crashed himself, after which Vingo waited for him).

This year his confidence on the bike was (understandably) not very high, so I don't think you can use this year's Tour as evidence of anything. We'll see next year if he can return to his best, both physically and mentally.

 

[tobydawq]

The "ride without hands" thing has become a bit ridiculous. It has nothing to do with his bike handling. In fact in the previous two Tours it became clear that technically Vingegaard is actually quite good. In the time trials he took quite a bit of risk, not crazy, but certainly on the edge. And during the race, Pogacar tried to drop him a couple of times on the descents but he followed with ease (in fact Pogi nearly crashed himself, after which Vingo waited for him).

What do you mean by nearly?

 

[Netserk]

The "ride without hands" thing has become a bit ridiculous. It has nothing to do with his bike handling. In fact in the previous two Tours it became clear that technically Vingegaard is actually quite good. In the time trials he took quite a bit of risk, not crazy, but certainly on the edge. And during the race, Pogacar tried to drop him a couple of times on the descents but he followed with ease (in fact Pogi nearly crashed himself, after which Vingo waited for him).

This year his confidence on the bike was (understandably) not very high, so I don't think you can use this year's Tour as evidence of anything. We'll see next year if he can return to his best, both physically and mentally.

His second stage win in O Gran Camino this year showed how well he descends when on top. While the inability of Castrillo to follow him on the descent can be down to Castrillo's lack of skills, it's worth noting that Vingegaard distanced all chasers on the descent proper, including Tarling.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Visma-Lease a Bike sports director: Vingegaard has to improve or 'he probably won't be able to beat Pogačar'

Frans Maassen plays down chances that Danish champion will ride 2025 Giro d’Italia

www.cyclingnews.com

"Jonas does not like the idea of having to return to the Tour and finish second," Maassen told BT. "He wants to be the best and has to work very hard to get better, and it will be a challenge because if he stays at the same level, he probably won't be able to beat Tadej Pogačar anymore."

Interesting, didn't expect that to be honest.

 

[bNator]

Visma-Lease a Bike sports director: Vingegaard has to improve or 'he probably won't be able to beat Pogačar'

Frans Maassen plays down chances that Danish champion will ride 2025 Giro d’Italia

www.cyclingnews.com

Interesting, didn't expect that to be honest.

Didn’t expect what?

 

[CyclistAbi]

@bNator

I added the quote, as true i expected Jonas participating at Giro 2025 is a no go. The statement by Maassen, on how Jonas doesn't have it any more, unless he improves.

 

[Froome]

@bNator

I added the quote, as true i expected Jonas participating at Giro 2025 is a no go.

Let's see, he can go to the Giro and the Tour.

This new cycling is a lot different.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Let's see, he can go to the Giro and the Tour.

No way in 2025. The team wouldn't allow it.

 

[bNator]

No way in 2025. The team wouldn't allow it.

Maassen not even entertaining the idea of a double but instead automatically assuming doing the Giro means not doing the Tour supports this, yes. Or he could be just playing dumb…

 

[CyclistAbi]

@bNator

In my opinion it just doesn't add up, for a team like Visma to send Jonas to Giro in 2025, considering all the circumstances involved. In regards to GC at the Tour 2025 Jonas is their only option and Giro is hence a no option.

Still, saying it like that, basically that Jonas doesn't have it any more unless he improves. Jeez.

 

[memyselfandI]

@bNator

In my opinion it just doesn't add up, for a team like Visma to send Jonas to Giro in 2025, considering all the circumstances involved. In regards to GC at the Tour 2025 Jonas is their only option and Giro is hence a no option.

Still, saying it like that, basically that Jonas doesn't have it any more unless he improves. Jeez.

It was incredibly stupid outburst from Maassen, clearly new Lefevere there sweeet...

And I can't really understand how come they not see any benefit doing two gran tours a row, it's just as beneficial to JV as it is to Pogi, difference between these athletes is fractions not miles. Heck, JV is not doing hefty spring program so what gives?

 

[Froome]

@bNator



Still, saying it like that, basically that Jonas doesn't have it any more unless he improves. Jeez.

It's not that surprising, is something very obvious, just like is very obvious he has room to improve a lot.

 

[Tanakka]

...
And I can't really understand how come they not see any benefit doing two gran tours a row, it's just as beneficial to JV as it is to Pogi, difference between these athletes is fractions not miles. Heck, JV is not doing hefty spring program so what gives?

Idk... they are two different riders, but also:
who is racing at the Giro2025?
What are the odds that JV gets to win it by exerting himself as little as Pogi had to do in 2024?
The Giro dind't hinder Pog and perhaps was, arguably, even beneficial because he got to run it at '85%', cyling outside of his threshold just for short bursts.
Froome's effort at the 2018's Giro was completely different.

On the other hand, given that Pogacar is most likely not running the Giro in 2025, if then Vingo were to lose the Tour to the slovenian, or, perhaps, Remco, then he might have to face again Tadej at the Vuelta, and risk to lose again. Who knows.
Partecipating at the Giro would be a way to secure an important GC win in 2025.

The 'Lance Amstrong way of tackling the racing calendar' comes off fine as long as it works, but if you eventually fail to get "Gold" at the Tour, your seasons ends up being underwhelming.

 

[Froome]

Idk... they are two different riders, but also:
who is racing at the Giro2025?
What are the odds that JV gets to win it by exerting himself as little as Pogi had to do in 2024?
The Giro dind't hinder Pog and perhaps was, arguably, even beneficial because he got to run it at '85%', cyling out of his threshold just for short bursts.
Froome's effort at the 2018's Giro was completely different.

On the other hand, given that Pogacar is most likely not running the Giro in 2025, if then Vingo were to lose the Tour to the slovenian, or, perhaps, Remco, then he might have to face again Tadej at the Vuelta, and risk to lose again. Who knows.
Partecipating at the Giro would be a way to secure an important GC win in 2025.

The 'Lance Amstrong way of tackling the racing calendar' comes off fine as long as it works, but if you eventually fail to get "Gold" at the Tour, your seasons ends up being underwhelming.

There were rumours about the Giro going through Slovenia. On that case, Pogacar and Roglic can be there.

 

[theyoungest]

It was incredibly stupid outburst from Maassen, clearly new Lefevere there sweeet...

And I can't really understand how come they not see any benefit doing two gran tours a row, it's just as beneficial to JV as it is to Pogi, difference between these athletes is fractions not miles. Heck, JV is not doing hefty spring program so what gives?

"Incredibly stupid outburst", jesus, overreacting much? Maassen isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I think he's mainly kept on board to offer some balance against the overly mathematical and scientific approach of cycling. He's more oldschool (and I don't mean clinic-type oldschool). You should view his comments in that regard as well.

And oh, he's nothing like Lefevere. He's no hypocrite.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It's not that surprising, is something very obvious, just like is very obvious he has room to improve a lot.

Somehow i doubt that Pogi and Jonas have that much room left to still improve. Likely this is it.