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Ryo Hazuki said:
julich an impeccable reputation?? You have to be kidding me right, one of the most doped riders of the past 15 years.
Any info on this guy.. Its my understanding that he rode for cofidis before they had a policy, Credit Agricole who didnt dope, T-Mobile before they had a team wide program, and then saxo. That the bulk of his decent performances came pre the EPO days, and has generally been a pretty outspoken critic of doping.

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2007 blog

Ive always thought he was pretty clean. Did i miss something?
 
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hrotha said:
Yes, you missed the 1998 TdF where the whole Cofidis team rode on kerosene. If Cofidis didn't have a policy it's remarkable how many of their riders reached the same conclusion about doping independently.

Also this thread.
Oh I completely missed that thread. .oops
 
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Back in the 90s, Bobby ended up without a team for a season, and spent the year driving all over the US to get himself into small races and try to get some results. He talked back then about money being tight, and things like having to think twice about throwing away water bottles in a race when you don't have a team to replace supplies.

So it was nice to see him get back on top and then later get that TdF podium. Was a really nice, personable guy when talking to the fans. Glad to see Sky has picked him up.
 
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That the bulk of his decent performance came pre EPO?

TeamSkyFans said:
Any info on this guy.. Its my understanding that he rode for cofidis before they had a policy, Credit Agricole who didnt dope, T-Mobile before they had a team wide program, and then saxo. That the bulk of his decent performances came pre the EPO days, and has generally been a pretty outspoken critic of doping.

2006 interview
2007 blog

Ive always thought he was pretty clean. Did i miss something?
Are you being ironic? My understanding of the EPO era is that it started in 91 (the year big Mig won his first tour) but went really mainstream in 94 - the year when it became hard for clean riders to keep up in Grand Tours. Julich won nothing worth talking about until 96 which was I think about the peak of the EPO era.
 
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That the bulk of his decent performances came pre the EPO days?
Dude, he took 3rd in the TDF in NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT. Not "pre" EPO, but the peak of EPO.
 
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he was in the same team as rinero in 1998 as well as riding with csc when they had a teamwide doping program just look zat zabriskie and voigts ridiculous itt and climbing abilities in 2005/2006
 
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BotanyBay said:
Dude, he took 3rd in the TDF in NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT. Not "pre" EPO, but the peak of EPO.
See I only really count the serious EPO (as in organised team doping, blood boosting etc) as starting in about 99 onwards.. And I think that tour only had about three finishers :D
 
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Didn't a whole load of riders and teams pull out of the '98 Tour? If you add in the likelihood that plenty of others would have been flushing the dynamite down the toilet is it possible that the '98 Tour ended up being cleaner than might be assumed? Pantani aside, natch.
 
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See I only really count the serious EPO (as in organised team doping, blood boosting etc) as starting in about 99 onwards.. And I think that tour only had about three finishers :D
Well, Julich was firmly in 3rd position before half the peloton withdrew and that's probably where he would have finished in a normal Tour*.

As others have said, you're wrong about the timeline. I'd say 1999 is almost at the end of the golden age of EPO. As for organized team doping, as early as 1993-1994 you have the likes of Ariostea and Gewiss, and Banesto had a program at least from 1995 onwards, probably earlier. There's also ONCE, Mapei, Casino (the biggest juicers in cycling history, I'd wager)...

*edit: of course I forgot about them Festina folks. One of them would probably have displaced Julich.
 
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TeamSkyFans said:
See I only really count the serious EPO (as in organised team doping, blood boosting etc) as starting in about 99 onwards.. And I think that tour only had about three finishers :D
The blood boosting only really became necessary because of the 50% HCT rule and probably not even really until the EPO test.

Julich had his best result at pretty much the height of the doping era, the only thing you can say is that the 10 guys would have finished in front of him at that Tour had taken their syringes and went home.
 
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TeamSkyFans said:
See I only really count the serious EPO (as in organised team doping, blood boosting etc) as starting in about 99 onwards.. And I think that tour only had about three finishers :D
i think there was more secret organizing within teams before 1999. They just didn't know very much about what they were doing. By 1999, they got good at it. By 2005, they were damn good at it. But many of the teams by this point could no longer trust the riders not to rat them out if popped, so they'd forced the riders to go underground and find their own sources. The riders just knew what they had to do. This is why you had guys like Hamilton getting faxes from Fuentes at hotel rooms in his wife's name. Tyler was one who had to find his own program. I think USPS still had a program in-house (on the down-low), but many other riders had to play musical chairs and get themselves into a network or find a more "private" consultant. Depended on how much money you had and how much security you desired.
 
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Really?

Julich was on TMobile BEFORE they had a team-wide doping program? Really??

If that's what you believe, then Jan Ullrich wants to get you a math tutor. :rolleyes:
 

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