Jumbo - QuickStep merger

[SHAD0W93]

I post this from the Roglic thread just because it is - and it will - be relevant.


Roglic’s law #1

For any given cycling race X, Roglic will win X it if at least he races it.

Roglic’s law #2

For any given cycling race X that Roglic rides and does not win, the outcome is explainable by Y.

Roglic’s law #3

Y comprises: crash, flu, diet, imperfect preparation, crash, Bahrain theory, mechanical problems, development issues, bad team, teammates riding against him, bad route, bad luck, bad weather, and, of course, another crash.

These three Roglic laws should be utterly and actively rejected by any cycling fan while knowing that these laws are impossible to refute and will always be at the back of any Roglic fan's mind.

 

[Sciatic]

When did you become a shill

He’s/she’s right though—that’s just the world we live in.

 

[theyoungest]

Well it's a false dichotomy for starters. It's not like his only options are selfishly screwing over dozens of people and being an altruistic Jesus, and it's very interesting that you're choosing to frame it that way. Being realistic about what a-holes can legally get away with doesn't preclude moral judgment. Deffo looks like shilling to me. Could be simply a case of the ol' boot-licking, but considering your rabidly pro-Jumbo record I find that slightly less likely.

You assume that I like what this guy is doing, or that I'm defending him. Trying to understand someone's motives is not the same as condoning them... maybe that's news to you. I'd rather see Amazon-Visma next year (plenty of ethical issues with Amazon as well, but hey, that goes for pretty much every major sponsor in cycling). To me this merger looks like something that's not going to work, in terms of the team dynamic. But from a business point of view... yeah, I can kind of understand it.

 

[titan31]

I agree it's unlikely, but QuickStep has 23 riders on contract for next year. If we assume 6 goes to the new team as reported in the article (Remco, Lampaert, Van Wilder, Vervaecke, Cattaneo, Landa?), Asgreen and Alaphilippe goes to a WT-team, Masnada goes to Polti, that would still leave 14 riders with some quality.

Merlier
Hirt
Vansevant
Casper Pedersen
Lamperti
Lecerf
Svrcek
Cerny
Serry
Huby
Warlop
Bastians
Gelders
Wangheluwe

I don't think there will be money or power (Lefevre) to continue as a team, but if there is they can also just bring up more guys from the development team and there are still a bunch of decent riders without a contract. One would think QuickStep and Cervelo and some other sponsors together could give such a team a decent ProConti-budget?

Maybe the leftovers can merge with a team like Bingoal or one of the many Belgian / Dutch Conti teams and create a new ProConti Team from the ashes? Just shooting from the hip I could see Bas Tietma being interested in leading such a project, merging the leftovers fron QuickStep with TDT-Unibet.

Some of the younger guys could possibly go to Jumbo development squad maybe?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Let’s just pray that the merger will be off now after Ser Ilan have spoken on TV!

 

[Bonimenier]

Let’s just pray that the merger will be off now after Ser Ilan have spoken on TV!

Jonas and Remco will be working for him upcoming July.

 

[Berniece]

Jonas and Remco will be working for him upcoming July.

After his interview I’m not so sure he’ll want to join the new team. Enough teams will line up to get him and maybe he’s too pissed at SQS/JV to join them

 

[joseph89]

Every team after van wilders interview 🤣

 

[Panda Claws]

I hope Van Wilder joint the forum once he retires.

 

[Lexman]

https://twitter.com/OutOfCycling/st...willen-dat-ploeg-blijft-bestaan1696346100921/

Wise reaction !

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I hope Van Wilder joint the forum once he retires.

as if this raggedy forum will still exist by then

 

[stekelegel]

As if it was ever up to the riders. Good job, scoring points with your soon to be ex teammates and staff, insulting your old and new bosses.

 

[ManicJack]

https://twitter.com/OutOfCycling/st...willen-dat-ploeg-blijft-bestaan1696346100921/

Wise reaction !

What is it? Link doesn't work

Edit. Worked after quoting it. Thanks

 

[ManicJack]

As if it was ever up to the riders. Good job, scoring points with your soon to be ex teammates and staff, insulting your old and new bosses.

What an idiot. Maybe he can take today's prize money and start a team himself.

 

[Lexman]

Tratnik staying at Visma apparently
https://x.com/philangles/status/1709224937116807372?s=20

 

[proffate]

They also made it clear that riders in a team that has been taken over by another team are only free from any existing contracts after October 19, when the UCI issues a press release of the list of teams that have submitted the essential information for 2024 registration.


“This press release will open the possibility for riders belonging to teams not included on the list to join another team, without giving prior notice or paying compensation, in accordance with the provisions contained in the standard contract,” the UCI explained.

So uhh how does this work exactly for Remco etc? It doesn't sound like there's any way for Pat to extract a contract severance payment for his riders if SQS is no longer a license holder. It would seem Remco, Van Wilder etc. have no more chance of landing at the new team than any other team.

 

[stekelegel]

As it stands, there is no merger yet. All JV riders and QS riders are contracted unless they are released or a transfer fee is payed. Roglic negotiated his release, Remco, WVA, JV, JA are bound to their current contracts.
If the merger goes ahead and JV is the core of the new team:
- all JV riders contracted (WVA, JV, SK,...) are bound to their contracts;
- all remaining QS riders are terminated and receive a seperation payment.
In the meantime: Jumbo Visma is probably negotiating with those QS they want to keep. The end of the season is near and 2024 spots are rare, a lot of teams have done their howework and have a completed roster or no budget left. Top riders (Remco, Julien, Kasper) can take their chance and talk to other teams but how much can they guarantee the merger goed ahead? Can Ineos wait for 2-3 weeks and end up with no Remco (and his close domestiques). Jumbo controls the timetable....
Unwanted riders can wait, get their seperation fee and look for a 2024 spot. Or they can take their chances and start negotiating themselves right now, and try to get a 2024 spot. If unwanted, JV will probably give way and release them.
Everybody will be solliciting like crazy but only Jumbo and QS really know what has been agreed, what is certain and what not....

 

[ManicJack]

As it stands, there is no merger yet. All JV riders and QS riders are contracted unless they are released or a transfer fee is payed.

Everybody will be solliciting like crazy but only Jumbo and QS really know what has been agreed, what is certain and what not....

Profound analysis

 

[Fantastico]

As it stands, there is no merger yet. All JV riders and QS riders are contracted unless they are released or a transfer fee is payed. Roglic negotiated his release, Remco, WVA, JV, JA are bound to their current contracts.
If the merger goes ahead and JV is the core of the new team:
- all JV riders contracted (WVA, JV, SK,...) are bound to their contracts;
- all remaining QS riders are terminated and receive a seperation payment.
In the meantime: Jumbo Visma is probably negotiating with those QS they want to keep. The end of the season is near and 2024 spots are rare, a lot of teams have done their howework and have a completed roster or no budget left. Top riders (Remco, Julien, Kasper) can take their chance and talk to other teams but how much can they guarantee the merger goed ahead? Can Ineos wait for 2-3 weeks and end up with no Remco (and his close domestiques). Jumbo controls the timetable....
Unwanted riders can wait, get their seperation fee and look for a 2024 spot. Or they can take their chances and start negotiating themselves right now, and try to get a 2024 spot. If unwanted, JV will probably give way and release them.
Everybody will be solliciting like crazy but only Jumbo and QS really know what has been agreed, what is certain and what not....

While top riders performance-wise have a greater chance to find a new team in short time, they also require much more budget to be left. If it takes too long to clarify the situation, they could have a hard time to find an open spot with a financially attractive offer as well.

 

[search]

Some of the younger guys could possibly go to Jumbo development squad maybe?

Continental Teams aren't allowed to have more than 16 riders (specialized on road cycling), so there's no room either. They have 15 riders signed for 2024 already, if PCS is correct.

 

[Berniece]

The end of the season is near and 2024 spots are rare, a lot of teams have done their howework and have a completed roster or no budget left.

This is not necessarily true. A lot of teams knew something was happening behind the scenes, since the TDF and have been keeping some spots open exactly for this occasion. For example, INEOS, Movistar and AG2R have 0 incoming transfers for now. Bahrein has 2, Alpecin 3. All of them not close to 30 riders at all.

There's a reason why INEOS didn't get anyone yet, because they might expect to get Remco + helpers. Movistar expected Carlos Rodriguez and eventually didn't get him. So there should be more than enough budget to get someone else.

Just to say, most of the SQS riders will find proper teams, easily. Their staff on the other hand, that's where the real bloodbath will be.

 

[staubsauger]

Even guys like Vansevenant & Van Tricht must be interesting for EF & Israel to build around Healy & Teuns.

 

[jmdirt]

As if it was ever up to the riders. Good job, scoring points with your soon to be ex teammates and staff, insulting your old and new bosses.

I thought that was a strange victory speech, and/or a strange way to vent his frustration. Maybe it was because his brain was starved by his effort and he was speaking purely on emotion...or maybe its a generational thing that I'm too old to understand?

 

[OlavEH]

Even guys like Vansevenant & Van Tricht must be interesting for EF & Israel to build around Healy & Teuns.

What about Lotto Dstny for Vansevenant?

Besides where Remco will end up, I'm mostly curious about Asgreen. He could be a great addition for a team aiming for the classics.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Maybe this lombardia on Saturday will make or break the career of Fausto Masnada