kelly vs argentin

[c&cfan]

who do you see as the best?
as a cyclist?(poll)
as a hilly classics rider?
as a cobbles man?
as a grimpeur?
as a TTer?
as a sprinter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3jQmkj3uI

 

[Race Radio]

This was settled 20 years ago this March

Kelly

http://youtu.be/mL3jQmkj3uI

 

[The Hitch]

Kelly was obviously the better cyclist, he is probably one of the top 6 or 7 of all time. 3rd/4th best classics rider ever (id have him ahead of Van Looy).

 

[The Hitch]

That was the one big omission on his cv with which his talents deserved.

Worlds

10 char

 

[Descender]

Why is this even a question?

 

[Old School]

King Kelly

Lord of the Chain Ring....

I voted for Kelly

 

[c&cfan]

Why is this even a question?

5 LBL, GT podium, WRR, lombardia (?), MSR (?), etc... argentin has a case.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes, but what rider has won...

Olympic Gold
Worlds
National Championships
Flanders
Lombardia
Paris-Roubaix
Milan-San Remo
Alp d'Huez

Not Kelly, Not Argentin

 

[The Hitch]

That was a good question. I liked that.

Eventually got the answer.

In white if others want to figure it out for themselves

Hennie Kuiper

 

[Tank Engine]

5 LBL, GT podium, WRR, lombardia (?), MSR (?), etc... argentin has a case.

OK, Argentin was Mr. LBL and won the WRR road race. GT podium Kelly won the Vuelta (not to mention numerous points jerseys). Lombardia: 3-1 to Kelly. When did Argentin win MSR? Kelly won more monuments. In one week stages, he was light years ahead of Argentin (TdS, Basque Country and of course Paris-Nice etc.). Case over, insert coin.

Edit: Shouldn't that be 4 LBL?

 

[Peccio89]

Kelly was the better overall rider.
Although Argentin was better in hilly classics, and probably he was one of the top 3 all time in this category: 4 LBL 3 fleche Walonne speaks for themselves.

By the way yes he had a GT podium in the giro, but it was the edition in which Moser won(1984), so you can imagine what a ridicoulous route that was.

 

[Tank Engine]

Kelly was the better overall rider.
Although Argentin was better in hilly classics, and probably he was one of the top 3 all time in this category: 4 LBL 3 fleche Walonne speaks for themselves.

By the way yes he had a GT podium in the giro, but it was the edition in which Moser won(1984), so you can imagine what a ridicoulous route that was.

I fully agree. I wasn't questioning the fact that Argentin podiumed in the Giro, just the use of that GT podium to argue that Argentin might be a better rider than a GT winner.

 

[spalco]

This was settled 20 years ago this March

Kelly

http://youtu.be/mL3jQmkj3uI

I don't have an answer, since both were before "my time", but that's a brilliant win; Kelly obviously knew exactly what he was doing there, how fast he has to go to catch Argentin and leave him in the dust.

 

[ultimobici]

I don't have an answer, since both were before "my time", but that's a brilliant win; Kelly obviously knew exactly what he was doing there, how fast he has to go to catch Argentin and leave him in the dust.

Reason being he was 36 and had won before. Best of all is that he was still on clips & straps!

WRT the OP's question - I agree that this was settled almost 20 years ago. WRT the podium spot in 84, remember that was the race that was effectively rigged for Moser to win by virtue of the lack of taxing mountains not to mention the dodgy helicopter in the TT. Kelly may have only won LBL twice but he did win Lombardia 3 times to Argentin's one. I'd argue that Lombardia is a more mountainous race than Liège with 8-10km climbs from 200m up to 7-900m as opposed to sub 3km climbs to no more than 520m. Add to that Kelly's Record in Paris-Nice when the last day was typically a Mountain TT up the Col d'Éze. He only lost that 11km TT twice and typically was handing out a kicking to Tour challengers like Hinault, Millar & Lemond. Nuf said, methinks!

 

[c&cfan]

Yes, but what rider has won...

Olympic Gold
Worlds
National Championships
Flanders
Lombardia
Paris-Roubaix
Milan-San Remo
Alp d'Huez

Not Kelly, Not Argentin

lance?

 

[Race Radio]

lance?

Not

Can't believe nobody can guess it. Here is more from the same rider.

Won The Tour of Swiss
On the podium of the Tour, twice
Rode 16 GT's

After he retired he worked for 3 of the most important teams in the history of the sport...and is a great guy

 

[The Hitch]

Not

Can't believe nobody can guess it. Here is more from the same rider.

Won The Tour of Swiss
On the podium of the Tour, twice
Rode 16 GT's

After he retired he worked for 3 of the most important teams in the history of the sport...and is a great guy

What do you mean nobody can guess it? I already posted that it was Hennie Kuiper, and commended you on the question.

That was a good question. I liked that.

Eventually got the answer.

In white if others want to figure it out for themselves

Hennie Kuiper

Am up for another one if you have one

 

[Race Radio]

What do you mean nobody can guess it? I already posted that it was Hennie Kuiper, and commended you on the question.

Am up for another one if you have one

DOh! sorry Hitch, I missed it.

Hennie is one of the greats.

 

[Rouetheday]

I remember reading an interview with the rider Race Radio is talking about. He said that as he got into his 30's he realized he couldn't compete for GT wins any longer so he changed his focus and training regimen to one day races. I've always thought it a shame that more riders don't make this same adjustment (though I realize that those scrawny Spanish and Colombian climbers are probably SOL ). One of the teams he managed was Motorola in the mid 90's, so it's obvious this lesson did not get through to Armstrong. Then again, maybe Lance realized his 37-year-old body still wasn't as decrepit as his tactical skills always were (tactical skills being much more vital in the Classics than in stage racing). If you remember, LA's idea of brilliant tactics was fooling the brainiacs at Team Telekom into thinking he was in trouble on the stage to Alpe d'Huez in 2001.