King of The Mountains Tittle

[Escarabajo]

King of The Mountains Title

Here are the odds:

David Moncoutie 13/5 5/2 7.50
Alberto Contador 13/2 14 12.00
Andy Schleck 11 19.00
Robert Gesink 18 16 19.00
Frank Schleck 18 19 19.00
Christophe Moreau 18 21.00
Sylvain Chavanel 20 20 26.00
Igor Anton 25 29 26.00
Carlos Sastre 25 29 26.00
Franco Pellizotti 33 21 34.00
Thomas Voeckler 33

Personally I like Moncoutie, but anything can happen. In the past this Jersey has been won by accident by one of the top contenders. Can it be the case this year?

 

[Angliru]

Just so you know, Di Gregorio wasn't selected for FDJ's Tour squad.

I'm going with Igor Anton. With Sammy Sanchez not on the Euskatel Euskadi roster he should have free reign to pursue his own interests along with Mikel Astarloza. He'll lose time in all the time trials so he won't be thought of as a threat and he's not likely to be able to keep up with the elite climbers on the final climbs.

 

[Escarabajo]

Just so you know, Di Gregorio wasn't selected for FDJ's Tour squad.

I am trying to fix the poll, but I don't know how to to that, do you know?

 

[ilillillli]

why is this even a jersey anymore? the yellow jersey represents the best racer, the green jersey normally represents the best sprinter (to finish) but does anyone really believe that richard virenque is the best pure climber of the last 20 years? no.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

why is this even a jersey anymore? the yellow jersey represents the best racer, the green jersey normally represents the best sprinter (to finish) but does anyone really believe that richard virenque is the best pure climber of the last 20 years? no.

Uhhhh....What?

 

[workingclasshero]

fair points ilillillli which i agree with. anyone know how to best reflect who's the best climber? what can be done with the points system etc?

btw i voted 'other' as in gesink. he should be right near the top in this competition

 

[Escarabajo]

btw i voted 'other' as in gesink. he should be right near the top in this competition

That's fair. I was going to put Gesink instead of Demi di Gregorio but I can not change it anymore. So at least we know who you voted for.
Thanks.

 

[ruamruam]

why is this even a jersey anymore? the yellow jersey represents the best racer, the green jersey normally represents the best sprinter (to finish) but does anyone really believe that richard virenque is the best pure climber of the last 20 years? no.

How about not giving points for 3rd and 4th cat climbs, then you would get a worthy mountains winner?

ruamruam

 

[Angliru]

I am trying to fix the poll, but I don't know how to to that, do you know?

My skills begin and end at posting my responses. I was lucky to get my avatar up! Wish I could help.

 

[ilillillli]

Uhhhh....What?

good, coherent response. very smart. thanks for that. i'm just saying, the other two jerseys go to the rider that most deserves them, but the polka dot jersey just goes to some fairly random dude that hits the right checkpoints. i think it rarely goes to the rider who is truly the best climber. you know who was the best climber in 2007? it sure as heck wasn't mauricio soler.

but thanks for you effort and your brilliant reply.

 

[Escarabajo]

My skills begin and end at posting my responses. I was lucky to get my avatar up! Wish I could help.

Thanks. I think almost everybody knows he is not in.

 

[ilillillli]

How about not giving points for 3rd and 4th cat climbs, then you would get a worthy mountains winner?

ruamruam

it's a good idea, but i think it's always going to be an intermediate sprint points jersey. a guy that rides a long break on a hilly stage but then bonks on the last climb and loses several minutes is still going to get mountain points, but is certainly not the best climber. the best climbers are the contenders that stay in the peloton and don't worry about the breaks until late in the stage.

 

[Angliru]

I think the best way is to give a much larger percentage of points on the final climb. Oh, this is in response to the post regarding how to best determine the best climber.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

good, coherent response. very smart. thanks for that. i'm just saying, the other two jerseys go to the rider that most deserves them, but the polka dot jersey just goes to some fairly random dude that hits the right checkpoints. i think it rarely goes to the rider who is truly the best climber. you know who was the best climber in 2007? it sure as heck wasn't mauricio soler.

but thanks for you effort and your brilliant reply.

Jesus..Relax! Don't be so jumpy. I agree with you. You just kinda threw me for a loop with: "why is this even a jersey anymore?"

 

[Amsterhammer]

I am trying to fix the poll, but I don't know how to to that, do you know?

Are you able to edit the 'tittle'? If so, please do. I keep having to giggle when I see it.

 

[Christian]

I'd say Sylvain Chavanel pulls off one great stage in an escape group, gets an estimated 200 points at once and holds on to it til the end. Other than that what about Tony Martin? Seems to be his favourite jersey, he won it at Paris-Nice and the Tour de Suisse.

 

[Mellow Velo]

why is this even a jersey anymore? the yellow jersey represents the best racer, the green jersey normally represents the best sprinter (to finish) but does anyone really believe that richard virenque is the best pure climber of the last 20 years? no.

Please lets not turn this into another doping thread, but doesn't the argument fall down, after Virenque?
After Dickie won his seventh, Michael Rasmussen appeared to take the jersey, twice.
2007 after battling with this year's favourite, finally dropped him on the L'Aubisque to secure yellow, before getting pulled.

As for the Green jersey.
Even Sean Kelly and Erik Zabel, in '98 and '99 took the title......without ever winning a stage.


Anyhow, KOM, I'd love David Moncoutie to take it. Boy done good on the Dauphine Queen stage. Certain to be away in them thar hills, but, I suspect it will end up with a favourite.

 

[*G*K*S*]

I'd say Sylvain Chavanel pulls off one great stage in an escape group, gets an estimated 200 points at once and holds on to it til the end. Other than that what about Tony Martin? Seems to be his favourite jersey, he won it at Paris-Nice and the Tour de Suisse.

That's who I'm going with.

 

[ilillillli]

Please lets not turn this into another doping thread, but doesn't the argument fall down, after Virenque?
After Dickie won his seventh, Michael Rasmussen appeared to take the jersey, twice.

i never said anything about doping. i guess you see what you want to see. also, like i said, mauricio soler owns a polka dot jersey. contador doesn't. sastre doesn't. that seems to speak for itself.

 

[ilillillli]

Jesus..Relax! Don't be so jumpy. I agree with you. You just kinda threw me for a loop with: "why is this even a jersey anymore?"

sorry for being "jumpy." it was little difficult to know what you meant by "uhhhhh... what?"

 

[Amsterhammer]

...what about Tony Martin?

That's who I'm going with.

He was my 'other' in the poll.

 

[Mellow Velo]

i never said anything about doping. i guess you see what you want to see. also, like i said, mauricio soler owns a polka dot jersey. contador doesn't. sastre doesn't. that seems to speak for itself.

No. I did imply that you had, but I though others might jump upon me, for using him to highlight my point.
As for Contador, well that has to do with Rasmussen in the above post, surely?
Sastre? It was always going to be all or nothing.
What of my Green jersey observation?
Doesn't the best sprinter have to be the fastest, or do you take it to mean most consistent?

 

[Christian]

I have to admit, I really like Virenque, his victory in front of Armstrong on the Ventoux was amazing, and his comment afterwards saying how Lance really put "fire on his ****" was funny. I think the polka dot jersey is great, I'd be sad if they din't include it anymore. One could say though that Bernhard Kohl was the best climber last year BUT we're not turning this one into a doping thread, so forget I even said anything!

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

sorry for being "jumpy." it was little difficult to know what you meant by "uhhhhh... what?"

No worries mate. Welcome to the forum anyway. If you're around long enough you'll see that I write extemporaneously sometimes

 

[*G*K*S*]

i never said anything about doping. i guess you see what you want to see. also, like i said, mauricio soler owns a polka dot jersey. contador doesn't. sastre doesn't. that seems to speak for itself.

Yeah, but the year Soler won the KOM, Contador was focusing on winning the Yellow jersey. He placed 2nd in the KOM comp.