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L.A. Times Article About LeMond:

IMO, kinda puts to bed the whole "LeMond doped too" stuff folks keep bringing up all these years(this was from LeMond's FB feed). Just MY opinion of course(I know this is an old piece):

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-07-25/sports/sp-95_1_greg-lemond


Drug Use Said to Concern LeMond : Attorney Claims Dutch Team Wanted Cyclist to Try Testosterone
July 25, 1989|RANDY HARVEY | Times Staff Writer



Already beset by injuries and illness, Greg LeMond was further distressed last year because he feared his team, PDM of the Netherlands, would try to improve his lagging performances by tricking him into using a banned drug, the American cyclist's attorney said Monday.

Although LeMond's break with PDM, the sport's dominant team, was primarily the result of a financial dispute, Ron Stanko of Reading, Pa., said the cyclist was believed to be out of the contract before this year because of his philosophical differences with the team's officials regarding banned substances.

He said LeMond was particularly bothered by the team's insistence that he use testosterone, a naturally produced male hormone that some cyclists believe will replenish their strength when injected into their systems. Cyclists are penalized if an excessive amount of testosterone is discovered in their urine samples during drug tests.

Stanko made the allegations in a telephone interview from Paris, where LeMond, representing the ADR team of Belgium, had made a remarkable comeback 24 hours earlier to win the Tour de France, the sport's most prestigious race, for the second time since 1986.

LeMond, 28, was 50 seconds behind leader Laurent Fignon of France at the start of the final stage, a 15.2-mile individual time trial, but he erased that with eight seconds to spare in winning the closest of 76 tours.

LeMond had missed the two previous tours while recovering from a gunshot wound suffered in a hunting accident, an emergency appendectomy, a broken wrist and knee surgery.

"Their approach to the whole subject of hormones is like something from Mars," Stanko said of PDM's efforts to rehabilitate LeMond. "Their philosophy is that anything natural is permissible, even if it is acquired through artificial means.

"I had discussions with them myself, in which I explained to them that we were not interested in using chemicals to improve performances. That is Greg's position, 100%."

LeMond, who was in the Normandy town of Lisieux Monday, could not be reached for comment.

But Stanko said LeMond worried that PDM officials would not take no for an answer, believing they might try to put an anabolic steroid into his drink. Steroids are synthetic derivatives of testosterone that can be injected or swallowed.

"He never knew from one day to the next whether they would slip him something," Stanko said.

Harry Jansen, a PDM spokesman, denied Stanko's charges.

"He should watch what he says," Jansen said by telephone from the Netherlands. "He might have a judicial problem."

This is not the first time PDM has been linked to testosterone. Dutch newspapers reported last year that the team experimented with the substance earlier in 1988 to determine whether it would have a strength-enhancing effect.

Jansen said the experiment was sanctioned by the international professional cycling federation and involved 14 cyclists from several teams, including two from PDM. He said it was determined that testosterone did not enhance a cyclists' performances.

In July, 1988, however, PDM's Gert-Jan Theunisse of the Netherlands was penalized 10 minutes, effectively eliminating him from contention, and fined $750 when he tested positive for testosterone after winning a stage of the Tour de France.

Also in 1988, the eventual champion, Spain's Pedro Delgado, tested positive after one stage for probenecid, a drug often used by athletes to mask the presence of banned substances in the system. Although probenecid was banned by the International Olympic Committee earlier that year, it had not yet been declared illegal in professional cycling.

Delgado, third in this year's tour, rides for Spain's Reynolds team, but he formerly was a PDM member.

Jansen said he considers the rumors and innuendo surrounding PDM a compliment. PDM had five cyclists among the top finishers in this year's Tour de France, including Theunisse, who was fourth.

"I told my boss that we should be proud we hear criticism," he said. "People are going to say many things about you, good and bad, when you are the best team in the world."

But no one will deny that professional cycling has a drug problem despite extensive testing. In the Tour de France, the winner of each stage, two cyclists selected randomly and the overall leader are tested daily. No one tested positive this year, but tour officials said they presumed that there were drug users who were not caught.

"There were drugs in the Tour de France, no question about it," Stanko said. "The question, as always, is who gets caught and who doesn't. No one will ever convince me there weren't people on drugs this year."

Stanko, who also has represented track and field athletes, including hurdler Renaldo Nehemiah, said that sport has been the focus of worldwide attention because of its drug incidents, particularly the positive test for a steroid by sprinter Ben Johnson in the 1988 Summer Olympics. But Stanko said track and field is relatively clean compared to professional cycling.

"The American public is getting a taste of what the drug use is like in track and field," he said. "But they haven't even scratched the surface in that sport compared to what's going on with the cyclists and their physicians. They are much more sophisticated at beating the tests. I would say that a good deal of what's going on in track and field was learned from cycling."
 
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A very credible read. The only thing we now know is way off the mark is this:

86TDFWinner said:
But Stanko said track and field is relatively clean compared to professional cycling.

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It seems the most cynical view when viewing a sport overall is the correct one.
 
Clausfarre said:
A very credible read. The only thing we now know is way off the mark is this:

86TDFWinner said:
But Stanko said track and field is relatively clean compared to professional cycling.



It seems the most cynical view when viewing a sport overall is the correct one.

Maybe he just believes cycling is that dirty.
 
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Almeisan said:
Maybe he just believes cycling is that dirty.

...given that Stanko previously did work with track and field cases and that this particular case comes soon after the Ben Johnson scandal ( which btw was a scandal of just epic proportions and could not be somehow just missed or forgotten ) one could say, if one were sufficiently cynical, that Stanko's statement is prime example of lawyer-speak ( and unfortunately seems to put the rest of Stanko's case in a very odd light )...

....and just to refresh people's memories, and to point out a kind of an odd coincidence, one of Johnson's more outrageously unbelievable claims during the evolution of that scandal was that his drink was somehow spiked by evil people....

Cheers
 
And for Hamilton, I believe T was just the start of it all? His team tricked him into getting over that threshold, PDM failed with Lemond, and very few others.
Lemond is quickly outliving PDM teammates, and he's still a young guy.
 
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What an interesting article. The part that caught my attention was that all they were concerned about back then was excessive testosterone, which means that they weren't exactly concerned about doping in the zero tolerance way we think of today. Despite it not being against the rules, Greg still felt he needed to take some kind of stand, good for him.

I doubt that people remember, but in the 1980s, Americans were in the mindset to take a stand against this sort of thing, much much sooner than the French. No one probably remembers, but in 1985 several Major League Baseball players were caught up in a recreational drug scandal, and it sent shockwaves through the country. And, of course, there were the ubiquitous drug cheaters from the Olympics, the phrase "East German swimmer" is now basically synonymous.

Of course, there is a difference (I guess?) between recreational and performance enhancing drugs, but I think most people would have responded negatively to the news of either infiltrating the world of sports.

Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I wonder if Greg could have taken more of a stand back in 1989, and the effect it could have had on the sport worldwide. It seems that it built into a world of mutant former East Germans on bicycles chugging their way up to Andorra and Texan cancer patients running amok, but it didn't have to be. Which isn't to say that Armstrong or Ullrich weren't responsible for what they did, but they did get caught up in a wave that built higher and higher overtime until it was too big even for repurcussions to knock down.

Okay, I'm rambling, but I would have loved to have seen a story like this have a higher profile back in 1989 when the events were taking place. I think Greg had enough gravitas and the American people were the sort who would have put their foot down on this sort of thing (the same way the French populace did after Festina), and it could have had a real effect on the sport worldwide. Hey, a man can dream.

Wake me up when the sport is clean.
 
babastooey said:
Okay, I'm rambling, but I would have loved to have seen a story like this have a higher profile back in 1989 when the events were taking place. I think Greg had enough gravitas and the American people were the sort who would have put their foot down on this sort of thing (the same way the French populace did after Festina), and it could have had a real effect on the sport worldwide. Hey, a man can dream.

At the time, cycling was a fringe sport and bikes were toys for kids. The federation was amateur hour with one or two trustworthy people. Les Earnest has documented it extensively.

Doping was something those evil foreigners did.

As far as press goes, this was before the Internet, so in the U.S. it was VeloNews and a couple of other magazines reporting weeks later. If you were lucky, you got the briefest list of results printed on the back page of the Sports section in the newspaper.

Also remember, Greg raced aggressively all year long, and placed well despite being marked at every race. Lemond's last TdF was a sad, frustrating, finish for most cycling fans. Much later the puzzle of his mediocre, for him, performance was solved. EPO.

When it SHOULD have gotten taken care of was with Carmichael's doping teenagers under USA Cycling's development program. Still a fringe sport then and quickly forgotten.

We had another chance when Greg and so many others started questioning Wonderboy...

We had another chance with the reasoned decision.....
 
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Plus, it was easy to believe that Greg had been surpassed at the time of his last Tour. It could all be chalked up to lingering effects of being shot in the back, plus he was getting older.
 
babastooey said:
Plus, it was easy to believe that Greg had been surpassed at the time of his last Tour. It could all be chalked up to lingering effects of being shot in the back, plus he was getting older.

And most likely 100% clean(I didn't want to say "for sure clean", bc then people would've flipped out and said "how do you know"? or something similar).:rolleyes::D

But, you're spot on.