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Landis coming to Deakin Uni for Doping conference

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"Floyd Landis will appear at a conference on doping in professional cycling in Geelong in the week of the world championships. The New Pathways for Professional Cycling conference will be held on September 27 and 28 at Deakin University’s Waterfront Campus in Geelong and Landis will be present to discuss the future of the sport with legal experts, scientists and academics."

What are thoughts about this move by Landis to attend this forum on doping? I would definetly love to have a look.

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I bet they'll say he is broke and needs the speaking fee.
 
I thought Floyd was in poverty, living off the support of others like his hip doctor. Where is he finding the cash to go to Australia? Lemonde?

Also, how can his comments on a panel balance any discussion on doping? At a university setting, I would expect to see educated experts of note discussing a topic. Not doped up losers seeking a second career of looking at the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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**Uru** said:
...how can his comments on a panel balance any discussion on doping? At a university setting, I would expect to see educated experts of note discussing a topic. Not doped up losers seeking a second career of looking at the pot calling the kettle black.

“In the end, the only way for cycling to regain its credibility and come out of its crisis is by dealing with the issues it faces in an open, transparent and impartial manner,” said Hardie. “Part of that process is giving voice to the cyclists – our report seeks to do that and we hope that Floyd’s presence will also enhance that process.”

I guess the "educated experts of note" disagree with you on what qualifies as a balanced discussion.
 
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If they're getting FL to speak, why not ask B. Kohl and other recently 'positive' retired pros to come as well.

Hopefully FL will be asked to help with catching dopers and during their panel discussion could add insight into the efficacy, or lack there of, of some of the present tests and techniques. Hopefully.

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**Uru** said:
I thought Floyd was in poverty, living off the support of others like his hip doctor. Where is he finding the cash to go to Australia? Lemonde?

Also, how can his comments on a panel balance any discussion on doping? At a university setting, I would expect to see educated experts of note discussing a topic. Not doped up losers seeking a second career of looking at the pot calling the kettle black.


The UCI should have put a travel ban on Floyd and stopped him from living a life. This is an outrage. Floyd should be sent to Guantanamo Bay and not allowed to speak to people about the experiences in his life.

as per educated experts of note:

Other speakers include:

• Dr Klaas Faber expert in chemometrics and statistics and anti-doping practices used in sport
• Carlos Arribas: Spanish Cycling journalist - the man who broke Operacion Puerto
• Professor Verner Moller: Author of the ‘The Doping Devil’ and ‘Sacrifice, On The Exit of Michael Rasmussen from the Tour de France’
• Dr Michael Ashenden: sport scientist and antidoping researcher
• Paul Hayes, barrister who will talk on the 'The Olympic Edition Cereal Box: WADA, the IOC and the World Anti-Doping Code'.
• Keith Mansell, Australian cycling historian, who will talk about sustaining domestic traditions in a globalised sport
 
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I had the original story posted in the sticky thread - it had a bit more detail.

A panel discussion will take place and along with the ‘experts’ the discussion shall be enhanced by the presence of Floyd Landis who will talk about his ideas for the future and the solution – as he said back in May he wants to be part of the solution and we are happy to give him a space to put that case.

We will video stream the conference at: http://www.newcyclingpathway.com.

For more information go to the New Cycling Pathways Conference web site at: http://newcyclingpathway.auskadi.mjzhosting.org/

Earlier in the year, Landis clued in Ashenden and Catlin as to the current methods cyclists use for cheating. It opened their eyes, and hopefully brought about some improvements in testing. If he's willing to take the time to travel to Australia and sit around a table discussing ways to help clean up cycling, God bless him.

One issue that is raised in the report is the legal basis of the Biological Passport. At the conference a panel involving Mike Ashenden, Klaas Faber, Australian lawyer Paul J. Hayes, Verner Moller and myself will discuss the law and science of the passport – whether it is legally defendable and whether it can be improved.
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern...institutionalised-corruption-both-or-neither/
 
Thoughtforfood said:
I bet they'll say he is broke and needs the speaking fee.

auscyclefan94 said:
Deakin University definetly would not be able to pay him anything susbstantial!

The conference was organized by Martin Hardie from the University’s Law School. The University may not have the bucks, but the conference is supported in part by the Department of Health and Ageing’s Anti-Doping Research Program. So there are some other sources of funds. If I'm Floyd, I'd take the speaking fee, and probably get an all expenses paid trip to Aus.
 
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**Uru** said:
I thought Floyd was in poverty, living off the support of others like his hip doctor. Where is he finding the cash to go to Australia? Lemonde?

Also, how can his comments on a panel balance any discussion on doping? At a university setting, I would expect to see educated experts of note discussing a topic. Not doped up losers seeking a second career of looking at the pot calling the kettle black.


Highly likely that they are paying for his expenses which is really pretty standard for this type of thing and of no issue at all. They may even pay him a small speaking fee, which again is common practice. He ain't going to get rich from this?

While FL may have some reason for this that we do not know about, ultimately I think it is a good thing.

Lets contrast this to what a company/people pay to LA (I believe it is like a cool $250,000 if my memory serves me) to spew his drivel. What is even more amazing is what some people will — or at least use to — pay his "coach" CC to speak . . . $35,000 is what I recall seeing some months ago on a company's web site that actually brokers these speaking gigs for various "stars". I will have to look for it later.
 
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I don't have an issue with a cyclist guilty of doping trying to make the sport better. The issue i have is that Floyd is trying to make himself part of the solution when he was one of the worst. I don't put him up there with LA, but he did deny for years, townhalls to raise money for his defense, a book, and etc.

I have yet to see an apology from him regarding the taking of people's money.....once i am shown this i might think differently of him.
 
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sartain said:
Lets contrast this to what a company/people pay to LA (I believe it is like a cool $250,000 if my memory serves me) to spew his drivel. What is even more amazing is what some people will — or at least use to — pay his "coach" CC to speak . . . $35,000 is what I recall seeing some months ago on a company's web site that actually brokers these speaking gigs for various "stars". I will have to look for it later.

Agreed. Lets wait a month and see what FL is up to. Give him a bit a personal equity people...I know what he has done, but his latest stance and confession is really an unparalleled positive move in the right direction.

I recall in Calgary(?2004), LA would charge $5000.00 for a personl one hour spin session, and $25000.00 for a 100Km ride amounst 20 others. Not to mention the $100K appearance bursary (that did not go to any foundation/LAF or Cancer initiative). If FL get a plane flight (roughly $2500) and food and accomodation while assisting in a positive antidoping discussion I think that is reasonable. If he doesn't, or has another silly agenda, then I will be here carving him up with you.

NW
 
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euphrades said:
I don't have an issue with a cyclist guilty of doping trying to make the sport better. The issue i have is that Floyd is trying to make himself part of the solution when he was one of the worst. I don't put him up there with LA, but he did deny for years, townhalls to raise money for his defense, a book, and etc.

I have yet to see an apology from him regarding the taking of people's money.....once i am shown this i might think differently of him.

Can't disagree with that.

NW
 
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thehog said:
The UCI should have put a travel ban on Floyd and stopped him from living a life. This is an outrage. Floyd should be sent to Guantanamo Bay and not allowed to speak to people about the experiences in his life.

The World Court at The Hague should put a carbondioxide exasperation ban on you.

It is drivel like this that degenerates any form of discussion.
 
Funny.
Klaas Faber was banned from a Dutch running & athletics website, for his outrageous posting and personal emailed threats to fellow forum members.
He called BS on a few of my posts there (that distincts him less from the masses than it might sound), but didn't manage to make a good case for his arguments I seem to remember.
I am not sure what his agenda is exactly, but his sanity is generally being feared for.

Landis is quite specific and outspoken on details of his doping crimes. He will help other attendies being honest.
 
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euphrades said:
I don't have an issue with a cyclist guilty of doping trying to make the sport better. The issue i have is that Floyd is trying to make himself part of the solution when he was one of the worst.
I don't think that being one of the worst should DQ him from being part of the solution - as one of the worst, he has a ton of first-hand information on doping in the peloton. He can provide great benefit to anti-doping efforts - IF he is truly committed to fixing the bigger problem and not simply working away at his own personal problems.

euphrades said:
I don't put him up there with LA, but he did deny for years, townhalls to raise money for his defense, a book, and etc.
Agreed - this is why I still take him with a grain of salt. I suspect that what he's said about Postal is pretty much on the mark - partly because it's so unsurprising. But I still struggle to take him at 100% face value given how squirrelly he's been.

euphrades said:
I have yet to see an apology from him regarding the taking of people's money.....once i am shown this i might think differently of him.
Absolutely! This would go a long way toward firming him up as a completely positive participant.
 

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euphrades said:
I don't have an issue with a cyclist guilty of doping trying to make the sport better. The issue i have is that Floyd is trying to make himself part of the solution when he was one of the worst. I don't put him up there with LA, but he did deny for years, townhalls to raise money for his defense, a book, and etc.

I have yet to see an apology from him regarding the taking of people's money.....once i am shown this i might think differently of him.
Landis actually apologised at the start of this in May.

Here is an interview he did on ESPN:
Q: Do you have any plans to apologize or refund any money [to donors to his defense fund]?

A: I absolutely wish I could give it all back. I didn't keep any of it for myself, and I don't have the funds to give it back. If I ever come to a place in life where I can, nothing would make me happier than to pay it back. As far as apologizing, I'm absolutely sorry for ever having lied to anybody. There's no one to blame here but me. But that doesn't fix it ... I don't expect them to just forget about it because I'm sorry. That is something I've thought about long and hard, and my choices are not good either way. On the one hand, I can just keep a secret to myself and let them think they gave money to the truth, or I can tell them the truth and just make them feel really bad and foolish and hope to make it up somehow. Neither one's good.