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Last clean Grand Tour winner?

Escarabajo said:
Lemond.

It was discussed in another thread. Let me look for it. If my memory is correct I think that people in general thought that there were no clean Tour winners. So Lemond was considered basically the cleanest compare to others.
Lemond had hooked up with Eddy B. while he was still a junior, so his whole
career is suspect...even his junior results.
 
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Lemond I'd reckon. Wasn't Eddy B involved in the US Olympic team in 84? Whilst corticoids and other amphetamines were fairly rife in the 80's they wouldn't turn donkeys like Chiapucci and Rijs into thoroughbreds as EPO use demonstrated.
 
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Ninety5rpm said:
I'm curious.. what is your evidence for an association between Eddy B. and PEDs? Personal knowledge or something you can cite?

Eddy B was involved in Blood doping in 84.

The fact is Greg had little to do with with Eddy B. Greg moved to Europe to ride for Cyrille Guimard when he was 19.
 
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Given that it appears no one on this forum has any real confidence in the current testing system which is the most rigorous ever.

Given that no one on this forum appears to have any confidence in any rider's comments on PED: If they confess: they haven't confessed to everything, if they deny: they're lying, and if they castigate convicted dopers: it's hypocritical and a smokescreen to protect themselves and if they don't condemn a convicted doper: it's because they're equally as guilty and protecting the omerta.

I would have to say the only logical position for a poster on this forum is :They've all taken PEDs, sorry "jacked"

The only rider who exempt from the above rules is Greg Lemond. This may be because:
A) He had a VO2 Max higher than a sled dog doing the Iditarod
B) He hates Lance Armstong
C) He sounds a bit like Kermit the Frog
 
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SirLes said:
Given that it appears no one on this forum has any real confidence in the current testing system which is the most rigorous ever.

Given that no one on this forum appears to have any confidence in any rider's comments on PED: If they confess: they haven't confessed to everything, if they deny: they're lying, and if they castigate convicted dopers: it's hypocritical and a smokescreen to protect themselves and if they don't condemn a convicted doper: it's because they're equally as guilty and protecting the omerta.

I would have to say the only logical position for a poster on this forum is :They've all taken PEDs, sorry "jacked"

The only rider who exempt from the above rules is Greg Lemond. This may be because:
A) He had a VO2 Max higher than a sled dog doing the Iditarod
B) He hates Lance Armstong
C) He sounds a bit like Kermit the Frog

Welcome back BPC :D
 
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If Greg Lemond doped, then for me professional cycling is over. The man is a legend, the guy who got me interested in cycling, and that would break my heart. I even had Scott Drop-Ins on my race bike back in the early-mid 90's in honour of him. I'm still disappointed that my other childhood hero, Big Mig, has fallen by the wayside.

If anyone has any Scott Drop-Ins in the UK, width 42 or 44, and is looking to sell, I could be very tempted to get some back on my training bike as nostalgia! I'm already trying to trace what happened to my early 90's race bike to see if it's still around somewhere. Giant Cadex, Scott drop-ins, Campag Chorus... I adored that thing and would love to be reunited with it.
 
SirLes said:
Given that it appears no one on this forum has any real confidence in the current testing system which is the most rigorous ever.

Given that no one on this forum appears to have any confidence in any rider's comments on PED: If they confess: they haven't confessed to everything, if they deny: they're lying, and if they castigate convicted dopers: it's hypocritical and a smokescreen to protect themselves and if they don't condemn a convicted doper: it's because they're equally as guilty and protecting the omerta.

I would have to say the only logical position for a poster on this forum is :They've all taken PEDs, sorry "jacked"

The only rider who exempt from the above rules is Greg Lemond. This may be because:
A) He had a VO2 Max higher than a sled dog doing the Iditarod
B) He hates Lance Armstong
C) He sounds a bit like Kermit the Frog

I dare you to make a suggestion as to who the last one was...
 
forty four said:
i think of any of the recent winners carlos sastre may have won clean.
For as much as I like Carlos Sastre, that last TT looks suspicious. Of course no proof, but his performance was definitely better than in the first TT.

Now he rode for ONCE and then for CSC all his life. That does not help his cause, although Bassons has proven that you can ride in a dirty team being clean. The problems is that Bassons did not win the Tour de France.;)
 
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Escarabajo said:
For as much as I like Carlos Sastre, that last TT looks suspicious. Of course no proof, but his performance was definitely better than in the first TT.

Now he rode for ONCE and then for CSC all his life. That does not help his cause, although Bassons has proven that you can ride in a dirty team being clean. The problems is that Bassons did not win the Tour de France.;)

In a general sense can you describe how we know Bassons was clean? Thanks.
 

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LeMond

LeMond never doped??
That’s almost as funny as Conan’s opening monologue last night.
But to quote some fine forumites “never question the myth”
 
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Escarabajo said:
For as much as I like Carlos Sastre, that last TT looks suspicious. Of course no proof, but his performance was definitely better than in the first TT.

It wasn't anything special for him (coming 12th) - one his better TTs certainly, but in the previous four Tours his final TT positions had been 16th, 20th, 12th, 17th. So fairly consistent.

He's better at TTs than people give him credit for.