Lee Rodgers' Langkawi diary doping insinuation?

[joe_papp]

Just wondering if anyone has any idea who Lee Rodgers' is attempting to slander in his current Velosnooze diary:

"...Oh and one other note, now I remember it — there is one team here that had a bit of a doping problem last season. They won a lot last year, but, curiously, are not in good form (at least so far) this. Coincidence? I wonder..."

A quick look through the start list and I saw Clarke Hilton and thought he might be referencing him/UHC? Anyone?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Androni? They won a bunch at San Luís last year, not this year, and of course Savio has had his troubles.

 

[Dundee]

I do not understand, I looked at the blog with the heading ''Lee Rodgers’ Langkawi Diary: Stages 1 & 2'' so I look at the results from the ITT and the rider who finished in 44th is Sergey Kudentsov (Rus) RTS Racing Team 0:02:48. What gives with that?

I do not know if they had doping problems last year but a team that was very dominate on the Asian circuit last year and not showing that dominance here is Tabriz Petrochemical Team. They did however loose their 2 best to the World Tour this year.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I did a little digging and found two possibilities by looking at Team GC results at the Tour of Langkawi's site.

Azad University Top-5 for sure in other years, this year currently 15th. http://www.cyclingfever.com/team.html?team_idd=ODYwOA==
Tabriz Petrochemical Team Top-5 for sure most years, currently 5th http://www.cyclingfever.com/team.html?team_idd=ODYxMA==

I could be wrong. Plus, there's the problem of knowing very little background of the teams. This isn't WorldTour teams, so lots less information out there on them with some language barriers too. So, don't take this as fact.

I will accuse UHC of making every American race they showed up at an exercise in boredom. All those guys in blue shutting **everything** down to set up the sprint train is boooring.

 

[claudio]

I think he is referring to the Iranian teams. See the number of Iranians who were suspended last year:

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NjY5MTE&LangId=1

Most of them seem to be from Azad.

 

[danjo007]

A quick look through the start list and I saw Clarke Hilton and thought he might be referencing him/UHC? Anyone?

if you are going to mention names, then before you look stupid; his name is Hilton Clarke.

 

[joe_papp]

if you are going to mention names, then before you look stupid; his name is Hilton Clarke.

Before you say something stupid you should investigate the back-story and ensure you understand that Clarke Hilton = how he referred to himself for business purposes when conducting transactions.

EDIT: like, seriously? you don't think I know the proper order of the names of the clients who bought EPO, HGH, IGF-1 etc from me and disclosed their identities?

 

[alanshearer]

Are you releasing names now? Who else bought from you?

 

[joe_papp]

Are you releasing names now? Who else bought from you?

Jeannie Longo's husband...

 

[alanshearer]

Stop the presses!

 

[Polish]

Jeannie Longo's husband...

Ciprelli Patrice?

 

[Biggut]

Old news and irrelevant to the thread.

 

[danjo007]

Before you say something stupid you should investigate the back-story and ensure you understand that Clarke Hilton = how he referred to himself for business purposes when conducting transactions.

EDIT: like, seriously? you don't think I know the proper order of the names of the clients who bought EPO, HGH, IGF-1 etc from me and disclosed their identities?

So you are 100% saying Hilton Clarke bought drugs from you. and can you post proof of that also please.

so unless you do, i will take YOU as a grain of salt.
just because your name is mud, doesnt give you the right to say other are unless you have proof please. thankyou in advance.

 

[joe_papp]

So you are 100% saying Hilton Clarke bought drugs from you. and can you post proof of that also please.

so unless you do, i will take YOU as a grain of salt.
just because your name is mud, doesnt give you the right to say other are unless you have proof please. thankyou in advance.

I don't know if you intend to come across as a boorish Johnny-Come-Lately demanding "proof" that he is unwilling to look-up on his own, but nevertheless, here you go:

http://twitter.com/#!/joepabike/status/142025913700335616/photo/1

As for your threat to take me with a grain of salt, I'm not really sure why you're so hostile and dismissive, or what credibility you think you bring to the debate such that I would feel compelled to respond. It just happened that I'd uploaded that image in November of last year.

To make it clear for you, I facilitated the sale of EPO and other doping products to Hilton Clarke and regularly corresponded with him about their use, how to avoid testing positive, and other related matters.

 

[danjo007]

pap. i dont follow twitter or your twitter in particular, so forgive me for missing out on posted notes on your twitter.
re: the note; its not definite proof (i could have invented 1 implicating LA, and on this site, it would have been gobbled up as gospel.)
but i'll just take the tack it's legit, and you're telling the truth...
so begs the question;
what have you done about it then if indeed its actually true? surely you wouldnt go to all the trouble of posting "proof" and making statements that hilton clarke is dirty.
whats the motivation behind it? does he owe you money or somehow upset you?

didnt you claim to only sell drugs until sep2007 ? if so, how is (as you put it) HC buying drugs back then, make him a current drug user now - unless you have proof of that too? or have you been selling drugs recently?

now im not defending HC; i personally dont care myself.
BUT, if people like yourself who have no credibility (1 moment, you're a drug using athlete; next a drug supplier; next a antidrug campaigner; surely... WTF !) anything that comes from you, either cant be believed, or has some other alternative agenda

 

[Bonkstrong]

So you are 100% saying Hilton Clarke bought drugs from you. and can you post proof of that also please.

so unless you do, i will take YOU as a grain of salt.
just because your name is mud, doesnt give you the right to say other are unless you have proof please. thankyou in advance.

Have you got a personal problem with Joe? I would have thought people would be applauding a lot what Joe is saying?

 

[131313]

Clarke Hilton = how he referred to himself for business purposes when conducting transactions.

um....wow. Please tell me you aren't serious? I have to say that if you aren't kidding, this is a much worse transgression than doping: worst alias ever.

Neither Guilty Hilty nor his brother ever struck me as rocket scientists, but this is pushing stupid to new bounds. This merits a suspension much more than any doping, IMO.

 

[Bonkstrong]

Have you got a personal problem with Joe? I would have thought people would be applauding a lot what Joe is saying?

Ignore that comment, it's meaningless without the relevant context that has been edited out by the WesterMafia...

 

[joe_papp]

um....wow. Please tell me you aren't serious? I have to say that if you aren't kidding, this is a much worse transgression than doping: worst alias ever.

Neither Guilty Hilty nor his brother ever struck me as rocket scientists, but this is pushing stupid to new bounds. This merits a suspension much more than any doping, IMO.

I'm afraid it's true. Of course it's the same thing with all the clients - I never met any in person (Kayle excepted), but the federal court found the email and financial evidence to be admissible and by extension valid, as we - the defense - didn't challenge its authenticity. That's one thing people who want to defend folks like Ciprelli and Clarke have to realize - that in suggesting that that the evidence is fabricated, you're implying that I would make-up incriminating evidence against myself! Ludicrous.

 

[Maxiton]

Just wondering if anyone has any idea who Lee Rodgers' is attempting to slander in his current Velosnooze diary:

"...Oh and one other note, now I remember it — there is one team here that had a bit of a doping problem last season. They won a lot last year, but, curiously, are not in good form (at least so far) this. Coincidence? I wonder..."

A quick look through the start list and I saw Clarke Hilton and thought he might be referencing him/UHC? Anyone?

Don't look now, but

Editor’s note: Several paragraphs have been removed at the author’s request

the article she has been revised.

 

[joe_papp]

Don't look now, but

the article she has been revised.
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Wow. Wonder if someone chopped him in the peloton or settled it behind the start/finish stage or what? I left a comment at VeloNews asking what was up but wonder if they won't delete that too.

 

[Caruut]

VN don't exactly like to leave anything dope-related on their comment boards.

 

[joe_papp]

VN don't exactly like to leave anything dope-related on their comment boards.

Yup, they deleted the comment I left and removed the comment functionality entirely. +1 for transparency!

 

[hrotha]

I'm afraid it's true. Of course it's the same thing with all the clients - I never met any in person (Kayle excepted), but the federal court found the email and financial evidence to be admissible and by extension valid, as we - the defense - didn't challenge its authenticity. That's one thing people who want to defend folks like Ciprelli and Clarke have to realize - that in suggesting that that the evidence is fabricated, you're implying that I would make-up incriminating evidence against myself! Ludicrous.

Dude, you should have gone with the dog names theme.

 

[BotanyBay]

Just wondering if anyone has any idea who Lee Rodgers' is attempting to slander in his current Velosnooze diary:

"...Oh and one other note, now I remember it — there is one team here that had a bit of a doping problem last season. They won a lot last year, but, curiously, are not in good form (at least so far) this. Coincidence? I wonder..."

A quick look through the start list and I saw Clarke Hilton and thought he might be referencing him/UHC? Anyone?

Just like JV Pi**es me off with his fake statements that imply "being on the anti-doping side", this one does as well, so I do not care to engage.

JV has indicated that there is so much to tell, yet he's too

to man-up and say what it is he has to explain.