Teams & Riders Matteo Jorgenson has now outclassed his peers from the Chambery-system

[Logic-is-your-friend]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMxt5r2RjSs

 

[scribers]

Dude is bare assed nekkid

 

[Stubb]

Amazing performance today, you can see the racer instinct, jumping on Pog wheel not even noticing your leader is distanced; now bring on the mountains, I think he'll surprise a lot of people there!

 

[Medvind]

Jorgenson superimpressive today. Think his crash hurt him on Galibier. But already in the tt he was quite good again, and today he showed what a great classics rider he is. He will be crucial for Vinge.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

Agreed, seriously impressive today. I saw some of that episode of The Move someone linked after the TT where he was apparently wearing nothing to air out his wounds and showed off some road rash and spoke of the inevitable sleeping problems ... I wondered how he would do on a stage like today. Turned out he was still a powerhouse.

 

[Sciatic]

On another thread earlier this year there was a discussion of which current rider might have the best chance to be the 1st American to win Roubaix. I suggested it was Jorgenson based on his ‘23 Ronde performance. I think today confirms that supposition. Not because he has some special off-round/cobbles experience, but because he can produce massive power and good recovery in long hard races. Though he will always be support for Van Aert while they’re on the same team.

 

[AmRacer]

On another thread earlier this year there was a discussion of which current rider might have the best chance to be the 1st American to win Roubaix. I suggested it was Jorgenson based on his ‘23 Ronde performance. I think today confirms that supposition. Not because he has some special off-round/cobbles experience, but because he can produce massive power and good recovery in long hard races. Though he will always be support for Van Aert while they’re on the same team.

I don't know that. It all depends if Van Aert will find his legs again.

 

[Stubb]

On another thread earlier this year there was a discussion of which current rider might have the best chance to be the 1st American to win Roubaix. I suggested it was Jorgenson based on his ‘23 Ronde performance. I think today confirms that supposition. Not because he has some special off-round/cobbles experience, but because he can produce massive power and good recovery in long hard races. Though he will always be support for Van Aert while they’re on the same team.

Maybe you're right but I hope he's not moving in that direction: he's becoming a serious gc contender, strong in the mountain and with an edge on almost everybody in the long hard stages like today; he just needs to improve his tt ability, but a cyclist with his raw power in Visma should improve pretty fast.
Maybe the 2nd american Giro winner, hopefully without any snow drama this time.

 

[Sciatic]

Maybe you're right but I hope he's not moving in that direction: he's becoming a serious gc contender, strong in the mountain and with an edge on almost everybody in the long hard stages like today; he just needs to improve his tt ability, but a cyclist with his raw power in Visma should improve pretty fast.
Maybe the 2nd american Giro winner, hopefully without any snow drama this time.

I’ll be pleased whichever discipline he decides to focus on, he’s a pleasure to watch and follow his progress.

 

[Sciatic]

I don't know that. It all depends if Van Aert will find his legs again.

Sure, we don’t know how that will play out.

 

[jmdirt]

Boise BYRDS! Boise foothills to dirt roads in France, nice ride MJ!

 

[Oldermanish]

Sure, we don’t know how that will play out.

Now a full week later we've seen it play out. Today's stage 15 showed him cut the breakaways 3 minute lead to nothing by himself on the climb. He then accelerated to launch Jonas and left everyone behind but Tadej.
Jonas showed the full depth of his recovery and it proved to be too shallow. It also showed the depth of Matteo's strength after two weeks of domestique duty: I think he could've finished second today and would've been a strong week 3 contender for step 2/3 on the podium if not for the work load.
Wout, he's not there and precious little help comes from other Visma riders deep into any hilly stage.
The Dude deserves a GT feature.

 

[Sciatic]

Now a full week later we've seen it play out. Today's stage 15 showed him cut the breakaways 3 minute lead to nothing by himself on the climb. He then accelerated to launch Jonas and left everyone behind but Tadej.
Jonas showed the full depth of his recovery and it proved to be too shallow. It also showed the depth of Matteo's strength after two weeks of domestique duty: I think he could've finished second today and would've been a strong week 3 contender for step 2/3 on the podium if not for the work load.
Wout, he's not there and precious little help comes from other Visma riders deep into any hilly stage.
The Dude deserves a GT feature.

Agreed!

 

[jmdirt]

Great work today MJ!

 

[Potomac]

I want him to get wins. I'm worried he will end up spending his career as a domestique.

 

[AmRacer]

I want him to get wins. I'm worried he will end up spending his career as a domestique.

He got 2 wins and a second place so far this year.

 

[Oldermanish]

I want him to get wins. I'm worried he will end up spending his career as a domestique.

Today's performance after 3 weeks investment of dom work should convince Visma he's the real deal. He did not crack but did get beat by the freshest Tour winner in history. He now sits 9th and should be able to hold that to Nice.

 

[Sciatic]

Today's performance after 3 weeks investment of dom work should convince Visma he's the real deal. He did not crack but did get beat by the freshest Tour winner in history. He now sits 9th and should be able to hold that to Nice.

9th through 11th are separated by about a minute in the battle for top 10. I would think Jorgenson will stay in the top 10, unless he is so gassed from today’s awesome effort that he gets dropped early tomorrow.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Very strong performance today: after a day in the breakaway he still pushed 6+ w/kg for the final 40+ minutes and it took a monster ride by Teddy to beat him (by little). Visma-LAB should give him a chance to be a (co)-leader at a GT. But obviously he's not just a stage-racer: he's really an all terrain monster.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Very strong performance today: after a day in the breakaway he still pushed 6+ w/kg for the final 40+ minutes and it took a monster ride by Teddy to beat him (by little). Visma-LAB should give him a chance to be a (co)-leader at a GT. But obviously he's not just a stage-racer: he's really an all terrain monster.

Imagine doing 6 w/kg on a 40 min climb at this altitude after being in the break on Bonette. 5 years ago, that'd definitely be Tour-winning numbers. Honest to god, he'd win the Tour in 2019.

 

[red_flanders]

Very strong performance today: after a day in the breakaway he still pushed 6+ w/kg for the final 40+ minutes and it took a monster ride by Teddy to beat him (by little). Visma-LAB should give him a chance to be a (co)-leader at a GT. But obviously he's not just a stage-racer: he's really an all terrain monster.

Huge kudos to Matteo, he's on great form, he's had a great year. VLAB has been a great move for him, and I think certainly he is a rider who could challenge in GT's or even win in some cases. Maybe he progresses further as well.

VLAB is going into the Vuelta with Kuss as a leader. I kinda feel like if I had to put money on one or the other I'd bet on Matteo. But the reality is that this is a GT leader-heavy team already. I wonder when/if he gets a chance at VLAB. Sounds like (according to his sister) he really likes his role there.

Rooting for him moving forward. I wonder how leadership on that team will shake out over the next few years. He's entering his prime for sure. I would also like to see him as a leader, but I don't know when it might happen, he's at VLAB for 3 years, right?

 

[jmdirt]

MJ, nice ride today!

 

[laarsland]

Latour and Champoussin weeping.

 

[Oldermanish]

Huge kudos to Matteo, he's on great form, he's had a great year. VLAB has been a great move for him, and I think certainly he is a rider who could challenge in GT's or even win in some cases. Maybe he progresses further as well.

VLAB is going into the Vuelta with Kuss as a leader. I kinda feel like if I had to put money on one or the other I'd bet on Matteo. But the reality is that this is a GT leader-heavy team already. I wonder when/if he gets a chance at VLAB. Sounds like (according to his sister) he really likes his role there.

Rooting for him moving forward. I wonder how leadership on that team will shake out over the next few years. He's entering his prime for sure. I would also like to see him as a leader, but I don't know when it might happen, he's at VLAB for 3 years, right?

He has that 3 yr contract. To be fair to him; he brought that talent with him and has good support although this could've been a bigger/better Tour. Ce la vie. Visma has some dilemmas to sort out if everyone returns to top form; which is not always a certainty.

 

[Potomac]

KUSS should work for Jorgenson at the Vuelta