Teams & Riders Matteo Jorgenson's inexorable rise to the top

[laarsland]

Could the thread also be reverse engineered to add Geoffrey Bouchard (1992) Romain Bardet (1990) and all the way back through team history to Cyril Dessel and Jean-Patrick Nazon to the origins of the Chazal team/implosion of RMO (Vincent Lavenu, Thierry Claveyrolat), and maybe through the history of impossibly-French-sounding names in cycling back to Hippolyte Aucouturier..?

Stop being ridiculous. Bouchard made his way to AG2R after grinding it out on the French amateur scene, whilst all the riders mentioned in the title have come through the Chambery feeder-team.

I’d say the current rider in the system most likely to be another candidate for this thread title is Valentin Paret-Peintre, but with the dearth of U23 and junior races last year the scene is even harder to assess than usual.

 

[RedheadDane]

So... "Valentin is the new Paret-Peintre - and a bunch of others." ?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So... "Valentin is the new Paret-Peintre - and a bunch of others." ?

You of all people shold obviously know, that his thread would be called "Valentin is the new(est) Paret-Peintre".

 

[RedheadDane]

You of all people shold obviously know, that his thread would be called "Valentin is the new(est) Paret-Peintre".

In order to be the new(est) of a surname, there needs to have been at least two of the same surname preceeding a rider.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

In order to be the new(est) of a surname, there needs to have been at least two of the same surname preceeding a rider.

Ha has an older sister, you know: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/maeva-paret-peintre

 

[RedheadDane]

Ha has an older sister, you know: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/maeva-paret-peintre

I know, but we don't know who'll have their breakthrough first.

 

[Koronin]

Interesting to hear perspective about young US riders coming to Europe. Thanks.

You're welcome. I found it an interesting perspective as well.

One of the things I really liked is his goal being that he wants to prove to the team that they can rely on him to get results and be consistent.

 

[SafeBet]

He beat Paret-Peintre today. Just saying.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He beat Paret-Peintre today. Just saying.

Got beat by Vansevenant by half a minute though. Unfortunately, he's not in the topic title.

On a more serious note, i think he's going to be a force to be reckoned with, but i don't think it will be as a GC rider. I think he might be a good hilly classics guy. I also think he's reasonably fast in a sprint. In l'Avenir he completely blew up in the last two days. Before that, he had a shot at a podium spot.

 

[Koronin]

Don't forget he also had a hard crash yesterday. Considering that and no idea what he was even capable of on a climb like this, I think he did well. He's still learning and being American he likely still needs a little more development than what many European and Latin Americans have at this point. He's also said that he still has a lot to learn about stage racing and how to prepare for stage races vs 1 day races where he's currently more comfortable. With Matteo and Ivan Cortina Movistar could put together a very nice classics team with these two as leaders. One of Matteo's goals for this season (which he stated) is to get consistently good finishes and prove to the team he can be relied on for high finishes and prove they made the right choice in taking a chance on him. The team appears very happy with his result today.

 

[Netserk]

Swedish names usually also has the double "ss" instead of just one s.

It is never an ö in "son" at the end. It is before if it is in the name.

And son literally means "son" in swedish too. That is where the surname derives from back in the day. If the fathers name was Erik. The sons surname would be Eriksson. Like Eriks son. Hence the double ss. Now they dont make surnames like that no more. The family name just continues.

At least here in Denmark, you are still allowed to take your father's first name to use it for the son's surname (and likewise with daughters). It is used in some families, but it's rare.

 

[RedheadDane]

At least here in Denmark, you are still allowed to take your father's first name to use it for the son's surname (and likewise with daughters). It is used in some families, but it's rare.

I was not aware of that!
Though, I suppose if there is Icelandic ancestry...

 

[Netserk]

I was not aware of that!
Though, I suppose if there is Icelandic ancestry...

It has (afaik) always been the case and it has nothing to do with Iceland. See Navneloven (The Law on Names) § 7, stk. 1, nr. 1.

 

[Koronin]

After his nice top GC top 10 at Paris-Nice he said after the race that his next race is Coppi e Bartali.

I thought he might race Milan-San Remo next, but doesn't sound like they're sending him to that one this year.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

With Champoussin's recent progression, it has to be a little disheartening that the only topic title with his name in it, has it spelled incorrectly and isn't even about him.
Let's see if he earns his own topic the next few months.

After his nice top GC top 10 at Paris-Nice he said after the race that his next race is Coppi e Bartali.

I thought he might race Milan-San Remo next, but doesn't sound like they're sending him to that one this year.

Still not sure he's a GC rider, but this week was very good.

Coppi/Bartali will be interesting. Jorgenson, Vansevenant, Leemreize, Foss, Van Wilder... almost a Tour de l'Avenir 2019 line-up.

 

[Koronin]

Still not sure he's a GC rider, but this week was very good.

Coppi/Bartali will be interesting. Jorgenson, Vansevenant, Leemreize, Foss, Van Wilder... almost a Tour de l'Avenir 2019 line-up.

Let's give him some time to develop and see where he's at. He said his goal for this year is to get consistently good results. For a 21 year old that is developing this is a good result. I'd like to see him go to the Ardennes again.

 

[yaco]

Coppi Bartali is often decided by the TTT, so is not always a good barometer of future success.

 

[RedheadDane]

With Champoussin's recent progression, it has to be a little disheartening that the only topic title with his name in it, has it spelled incorrectly and isn't even about him.
Let's see if he earns his own topic the next few months.

You can always make one.

 

[AlfaLum]

Very decent week by this youngster, but somehow i expected a bit more from him after that Provence showing. This was quite an invisble week for Jorgenson. But ok probably bit unrealistic expectations from my side.

but pretty likely we see nice things from this youngster in the future.

 

[Oldermanish]

Talked to a fan working the counter at a irrigation parts store. Matteo climbed over Galena Pass and back setting Strava records for each. I don't have Strava but someone could check the stats? 23 yo and top 20 in first Tour is not a bad career start.

 

[RedheadDane]

I think you will find, he has a thread! And an epically named one at that.

Teams & Riders - Matteo Jorgenson is the next Clement Champoissin is the next Aurelien Paret Peintre is the next Nans Peters is the next Pierre Latour | Cyclingnews Forum

It's in the index!

 

[sir fly]

I think you will find, he has a thread! And an epically named one at that.

Teams & Riders - Matteo Jorgenson is the next Clement Champoissin is the next Aurelien Paret Peintre is the next Nans Peters is the next Pierre Latour | Cyclingnews Forum

It's in the index!

Bubbleburster.

 

[Valv.Piti]

One of the only (if not the only) bright spot at Movistar atm. How far they have fallen...

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I think you will find, he has a thread! And an epically named one at that.

Epically named, perhaps, but it doesn't rival this one for the most enigmatic opening sentence of a thread ever: "Talked to a fan working the counter at a irrigation parts store. "

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Apparently a hot topic of discussion at irrigation supply stores...