Mens Journal article

[thehog]

Just finished reading the article. Reads like this forum! Finally a mainstream press article that captures all of the inconsistencies with the Armstrong story. From Coyle to Catlin its all there. One thing that stuck for me was the following statement: "Tyler Hamilton was then subpoenaed. Meanwhile behind the scenes Armstrong had been desperately phoning possible witnesses, trying to ferret out sources of the leaks out to the press and lobbying them for support."

- sounds like all he got was Jonker! Oh dear.

 

[thehog]

Just finished reading the article. Reads like this forum! Finally a mainstream press article that captures all of the inconsistencies with the Armstrong. From Coyle to Catlin its all there. One thing that stuck for me was the following statement: "Tyler Hamilton was then subpoenaed. Meanwhile behind the scenes Armstrong had been desperately phoning possible witnesses, trying to ferret out sources of the leaks out to the press and lobbying them for support."

- sounds like all he got was Jonker! Oh dear.

And Lemond shipped 70,000 documents to the Feds. Says the entire is in there.

 

[powerste]

Just finished reading the article. Reads like this forum! Finally a mainstream press article that captures all of the inconsistencies with the Armstrong. From Coyle to Catlin its all there. One thing that stuck for me was the following statement: "Tyler Hamilton was then subpoenaed. Meanwhile behind the scenes Armstrong had been desperately phoning possible witnesses, trying to ferret out sources of the leaks out to the press and lobbying them for support."

- sounds like all he got was Jonker! Oh dear.

Don't forget the invaluable Dr. Del Moral!

 

[Beech Mtn]

Just finished reading the article. Reads like this forum! Finally a mainstream press article that captures all of the inconsistencies with the Armstrong. From Coyle to Catlin its all there. One thing that stuck for me was the following statement: "Tyler Hamilton was then subpoenaed. Meanwhile behind the scenes Armstrong had been desperately phoning possible witnesses, trying to ferret out sources of the leaks out to the press and lobbying them for support."

- sounds like all he got was Jonker! Oh dear.

Hope the feds were wiretapping all these calls - surely Lance's very impressive legal team would have warned him against anything that could look like witness tampering . . . .

 

[Deagol]

Just finished reading the article. Reads like this forum! Finally a mainstream press article that captures all of the inconsistencies with the Armstrong story. From Coyle to Catlin its all there. One thing that stuck for me was the following statement: "Tyler Hamilton was then subpoenaed. Meanwhile behind the scenes Armstrong had been desperately phoning possible witnesses, trying to ferret out sources of the leaks out to the press and lobbying them for support."

- sounds like all he got was Jonker! Oh dear.

Is there a link, or is this only available in print?
Thanks...

 

[theswordsman]

Is their a link, or is this only available in print?
Thanks...

The Hog posted a link to the sneak peek earlier. Hopefully various media will get their hand on a copy and share the best bits, or maybe MJ will put it online once the magazines have had a good run.

http://www.mensjournal.com/october-2010-sneak-peak

 

[flicker]

Super. The people on the forum get their info from mens journal. What next, info on cycling from GQ?

 

[theswordsman]

Super. The people on the forum get their info from mens journal. What next, info on cycling from GQ?

Gee. Lance decided two years ago to announce his rcomeback in a long interview in Vanity freaking Fair.

Investigative journalists everywhere are welcome to do their jobs and present it accurately. I imagine more and more will do so. And as thehog said when he posted the sneak preview link, Men's Journal did an interview with Armstrong and weren't pleased that he lied to them. If the magazine is good enough for him to do interviews, it's good enough for stories telling the truth about him.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Super. The people on the forum get their info from mens journal. What next, info on cycling from GQ?

When it comes to accurately reporting malfeasance in the world of pro cycling I think the more trustworthy outlets would be the ones that are the least tied to bike industry advertising dollars, wouldn't you?

 

[theswordsman]

When it comes to accurately reporting malfeasance in the world of pro cycling I think the more trustworthy outlets would be the ones that are the least tied to bike industry advertising dollars, wouldn't you?

Excellent point. Just as the investigation and lawsuit are happening outside of cycling, the stories that have long been covered up will be revealed by publications outside the sport.

 

[Merckx index]

The most interesting thing I found in this preview was a link to an old (05 or 06) interview with Tom Brokaw:

(Brokaw, speaking about Barry Bonds and doping): He did go from zero to 60. I mean, he was always great, but there was a quantum leap forward for all those guys.
LA: And Tom, that’s my thing: If you want to talk about going from zero to 60, well, let’s just talk about zero. Zero for me was a 15-year-old professional triathlete competing with Mark Allen and Dave Scott, the best of the best. In pro cycling I was the youngest world champion of all time. I was winning stages of the Tour at 21. That had never been done.
TB: You weren’t going from zero to 60.
LA: That’s right. There’s no mystery there. The progression was natural. The disease in the middle was the X factor, the one thing that said, “Okay, buddy, you’re not sure you’re gonna be here tomorrow or next week or next year. You better hit it hard.” It really changed my focus and motivation as an athlete. But you can go back 15 years, and it’s all there.

And Brokaw, not knowing anything about the different demands of the different kinds of bike racing, would buy all that.

 

[flicker]

When it comes to accurately reporting malfeasance in the world of pro cycling I think the more trustworthy outlets would be the ones that are the least tied to bike industry advertising dollars, wouldn't you?

The lesson I have learned is it is about selling product. Whether it is Shack accessories on versus or louis vitton accessories in vanity faire.

Lance sells product. Everything else about him could be truth could be lies could be fraud could be epic and fantastic.

Point being Lance sells product,. Myself I have an opinion about drug cheating in cycling. Mens Journal may sway John Q. publics opinion about PED use in sports or about cycling in general but I do not think it will deflate any balloons of fanboism, it will make the deniers angry.

For me it is meaningless jibber-jabber. Just because I am truly a cycling fan.
I am watching a Quebec bike race on American ground. In French. I would like to see more cycling in the US. That is all.

 

[flicker]

Also I read the other article about Lance in Mens Jornal about5 how Lance was going to go tete de le corse in the tour this year. Pure fantasy, science fiction. Oct. issue is just backpeddaling for that rag!

 

[Benotti69]

The lesson I have learned is it is about selling product. Whether it is Shack accessories on versus or louis vitton accessories in vanity faire.

Lance sells product. Everything else about him could be truth could be lies could be fraud could be epic and fantastic.

Point being Lance sells product,. Myself I have an opinion about drug cheating in cycling. Mens Journal may sway John Q. publics opinion about PED use in sports or about cycling in general but I do not think it will deflate any balloons of fanboism, it will make the deniers angry.

For me it is meaningless jibber-jabber. Just because I am truly a cycling fan.
I am watching a Quebec bike race on American ground. In French. I would like to see more cycling in the US. That is all.

the only thing Uniballer is gonna sell these days are a few mouldy yella bracelets. you must have a long list of pharmastrong linked products you can tell you bought this year..

mens journal as Hugh J says aint linked to the dollars in pro cycling so can write a non biased article about Liestrong and the current investigations.

but don't hurt too much flicky, Liestrong can stand up in an american court of law, which is part of the democratic society where truth and justice are paramount and tell his side of the story and then you can live happily ever after

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Super. The people on the forum get their info from mens journal. What next, info on cycling from GQ?

I have to wonder if you've ever looked at an issue?

Bill Gifford has written for the Washington Post, Outside, Slate and many others. Philip Caputo is the contributing editor at MJ and a Pulitizer winner.

But it's much easier to just sit back and call articles and periodicals who don't publish what you like, regardless of the facts, "tabloids" or "trash" or "rags", isn't it? Sort of like LA referring to Le Monde as such.

As to their "backpedaling" as you call it, they put Lance on their June/July cover and let him ramble, without retort. When the FDA investigation and other related stories broke, they felt a responsibility to dig further and find the truth. That's what this October article is based on, whether you find it quality journalism or not.

 

[Bicicleta]

Neil Browne's comments about this article are pretty hystrerical:

http://twitter.com/neilroad

Wondering how stupid is @MensJournal ? They qoute my blog about Landis living behind carwash as fact. Check facts much? http://bit.ly/asgd9X

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

Super. The people on the forum get their info from mens journal. What next, info on cycling from GQ?

Good insight, Flick!

The only two writers you can trust are Bill Strickland and Chris Carmichael.

 

[Berzin]

With all due respect, it's a little late in the game for these cats to find religion. This and many other US-based magazines have over the years put Armstrong on their covers to sell magazines, have always taken his side when it came to doping allegations and have aided and abetted in generating the hype and have propagated his mythical status as the most astounding, genetically gifted racer that ever lived.

Men's Journal, Sports Illustrated, Outside Magazine and a whole host of others have all been collectively guilty of this. While the story was good they fed into it without a shred of journalistic integrity. NONE. They never questioned the mythology, they never once doubted this man's feats or questioned his contrived and insincere ploys at playing the cancer-surviving martyr-for-dollars.

It's nice that this magazine is attempting to right some of those wrongs, but they have been part and parcel of the problem with the media coverage Armstrong has garnered over the years.

I will gladly read the article, but I'm not thrilled that they've turned on one of their media cash cows when they should have been a bit less sycophantic from the very beginning. Then again, if they had taken this course they would not have gotten those interviews with Armstrong.

 

[thehog]

Mens Journal sells magazines for profit. Its not the Christian times. None the less the Mens Journal is bound by the same libel laws that every publication is in this great democracy the US of A. The Journal has a responsibility not only to its readers to print fair and accurate article but its advertisers who product want to be associated with a publication with a good and honest reputation. Too many articles that cross the borders on decency would put the magazine into tabloid territory. Its magazine is simply not that.

Turning a profit from publishing factual and accurate information doesn't means it sensationalism or not true. If that's the line we took then one could suggest Livestrong.com turning a profit for its on-line articles are all not true?

I'm sure if there anything in the article then Lance as he has done in the past will sue.

From what I read its a well presented article which includes all relevant information from both sides of the fence. Its the first mainstream article I've seen that taken the effort to explain watts per kgs and VAM readings. Its well researched and laid out. At no point does it say Lance doped. Its just presents the facts for the reader to make their own judgment.

 

[Berzin]

From what I read its a well presented article which includes all relevant information from both sides of the fence. Its the first mainstream article I've seen that taken the effort to explain watts per kgs and VAM readings. Its well researched and laid out. At no point does it say Lance doped. Its just presents the facts for the reader to make their own judgment.

I'm going to stroll into my local book store to read this article tonight. There has been a whole lot about Armstrong's physiology that has never added up.

I hope this will lead us in the right direction so that people realize that "The Miracle in France" is subject to the same physiological laws as the rest of us humans, and that getting and surviving cancer doesn't suddenly negate them.

 

[oldschoolnik]

It is interesting though that one of the best articles on the topic should come from Men's Journal and not say Cycling News, Procycling, etc. - but I guess they would burn too many bridges.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Wow!

As a recently banned refugee from "that other" doping-in-cycling forum I must say that it is refreshing to see such engaging discussion on a new and relevant development WITHOUT having the moderator come in with smarmy retorts and ridicule. BRAVO!

As for the article, what I've seen so far is intriguing. I'll surely pick up a copy of ...getting to see the latest Armani ties (that I'll never own) is an added benefit.

 

[Berzin]

This may have some positive repercussions-maybe it will finally free some of these magazines to speak truth to power, now that the power in question has its' clout diminished.

Just look at what's happening with the Radio Shack team-no invite to the Vuelta, and now they may not ride the Giro Di Lombardia.

Bruyneel no longer wields the power he had in years past. I'm wondering if he is having any regrets on choosing Armstrong over Contador, and if things would have been different had he sat down with Armstrong and told him he wasn't the future of the team.

 

[Benotti69]

This may have some positive repercussions-maybe it will finally free some of these magazines to speak truth to power, now that the power in question has its' clout diminished.

Just look at what's happening with the Radio Shack team-no invite to the Vuelta, and now they may not ride the Giro Di Lombardia.

Bruyneel no longer wields the power he had in years past. I'm wondering if he is having any regrets on choosing Armstrong over Contador, and if things would have been different had he sat down with Armstrong and told him he wasn't the future of the team.

i imagine uniballer and JB saw a continued future relationship together in cycling and this is what led to JB turning away from Contador as he was keen to stay with LA and the possibilty of running the TdF and who knows what other schemes were in the pipeline...

But i hope the mens journal now leads to ther publications writing deep well researched articles explaining extensive methods how to dope in pro sports and the corruption of it all from top to bottom, federations to sponsors etc

 

[Berzin]

Here is the magazine cover. It's the October 2010 issue-