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Mike Anderson Suit Against LA

Not particularly wanting to start WWIII, but thought i'd post it here in the Clinic as it will undoubtably go that way. Anyway the other day i came upon (don't really know the correct word for it) a pdf file that contained details of the suit Michael Anderson filed against Lance Armstrong for i believe after reading some of it, LA not holding to his terms of the Agreement they had and unfair dismissal(?). Namely that LA would help Mike open a Bike Store in Austin, Texas.

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/sports/040105_lance.pdf

The file is all set out in numbered points so it is fairly easy to read and comprehend.

Firstly id like to start with:

If LA did/said half the crap the Mr Anderson claims, then he is a complete ass (Points 12, 20, 24, 30, 31, 38, 39, 42, 43 and so on and so on)

Secondly, i did not know LA had someone waiting on him night and day as is shown in the document.(Point 10) Andreson and his family basically had to give up everything for LA (Point 11) and he tossed them out on their arses. (Points - well the entire document)

Thirdly, trying to get Anderson to sign a confidentiality agreement that said he'd be liable to pay LA and Luke David 1 million dollars if he said anything untoward about LA. Jesus:( I'd get my attorney involved as well. (Points 27, 28, 29 and on)

Lastly, there is part of the document on what Mike Anderson believes is LA doping. (Points 14, 15, 17, 19, 22, 23)



As i did not really follow professional cycling then (circa late 04 and 05) i had never even heard of this suit between LA and Mike Anderson. How was it dealt with and what happened? I am assuming everything was settled out of court. As it seems LA's image did not suffer because of it and partly i think this because i believe that if it did go through courts all sorts of laundry could be aired and he probably wouldn't want this with some of the allegations and potential evidence that has been levelled at him in recent years.

Also what is Anderson doing these days? I sincerley hope he and his family are doing well.

As i stated before i do not want to start WWIII and hope you guys play nice. I brought this up becasue i had never heard of it and would like some peoples views on the subject.
 
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Thanks for posting that. Anderson shot feral hogs for Armstrong and also often calmed him down because he was prone to making obscene gestures at motorists and confronting them at stop signs or red lights. Comedy gold. Seriously, sounds like the guy deserved a lot more than $3000 a month.
 
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Mike is a good guy. He received a settlement from Armstrong and Lance took Mike's ideas and opened Mellow Johnny's. Mike moved to New Zealand to escape the harassment from the Armstrong groupies.

I have not read the complaint, does it include the part with Armstrong harassed him so essentially that Mike had a seizer and collapsed?

I think we can all agree that regardless of what Armstrong has done on the bike, off it he is an A$$.
 
El Imbatido said:
Not particularly wanting to start WWIII, but thought i'd post it here in the Clinic as it will undoubtably go that way. Anyway the other day i came upon (don't really know the correct word for it) a pdf file that contained details of the suit Michael Anderson filed against Lance Armstrong for i believe after reading some of it, LA not holding to his terms of the Agreement they had and unfair dismissal(?). Namely that LA would help Mike open a Bike Store in Austin, Texas.

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/sports/040105_lance.pdf

The file is all set out in numbered points so it is fairly easy to read and comprehend.

Firstly id like to start with:

If LA did/said half the crap the Mr Anderson claims, then he is a complete ass (Points 12, 20, 24, 30, 31, 38, 39, 42, 43 and so on and so on)

Secondly, i did not know LA had someone waiting on him night and day as is shown in the document.(Point 10) Andreson and his family basically had to give up everything for LA (Point 11) and he tossed them out on their arses. (Points - well the entire document)

Thirdly, trying to get Anderson to sign a confidentiality agreement that said he'd be liable to pay LA and Luke David 1 million dollars if he said anything untoward about LA. Jesus:( I'd get my attorney involved as well. (Points 27, 28, 29 and on)

Lastly, there is part of the document on what Mike Anderson believes is LA doping. (Points 14, 15, 17, 19, 22, 23)



As i did not really follow professional cycling then (circa late 04 and 05) i had never even heard of this suit between LA and Mike Anderson. How was it dealt with and what happened? I am assuming everything was settled out of court. As it seems LA's image did not suffer because of it and partly i think this because i believe that if it did go through courts all sorts of laundry could be aired and he probably wouldn't want this with some of the allegations and potential evidence that has been levelled at him in recent years.

Also what is Anderson doing these days? I sincerley hope he and his family are doing well.

As i stated before i do not want to start WWIII and hope you guys play nice. I brought this up becasue i had never heard of it and would like some peoples views on the subject.


Race Radio wrote about MA a few weeks ago. Apparently Mike vanished to New Zealand, and the stress of Lance and his harassment caused him health difficulties.

Lol...literally I posted the above the same minute as Race Radio, so sorry if it is now redundant!!!
 
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Race Radio said:
Mike is a good guy. He received a settlement from Armstrong and Lance took Mike's ideas and opened Mellow Johnny's. Mike moved to New Zealand to escape the harassment from the Armstrong groupies.

I have not read the complaint, does it include the part with Armstrong harassed him so essentially that Mike had a seizer and collapsed?

I think we can all agree that regardless of what Armstrong has done on the bike, off it he is an A$$.

I dont agree. He is no more an a$$ than anyone else, it just so happens there always someone around to take a note of it, or embelish it as they see fit. How much time have you spent with Lance Armstrong.....zero......
 
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I dont agree. He is no more an a$$ than anyone else, it just so happens there always someone around to take a note of it, or embelish it as they see fit. How much time have you spent with Lance Armstrong.....zero......

Wrong. I have met him, ridden with him, and raced against. The first time I met him in the late 80's my first thought was that it took effort to be that big of a jerk. He must have to work hard at it.
 
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El Imbatido said:
Not particularly wanting to start WWIII, but thought i'd post it here in the Clinic .......

Wow.. nice find! After reading that, I don't think LA will be winning any "employer of the year" awards. I feel really sorry for Mike Anderson - he has been through a lot. I really wish (and I bet he does too) that he put that bottle of steroids in a plastic bag and locked it away in case anything like this happened.
 
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bcounsell said:
I dont agree. He is no more an a$$ than anyone else, it just so happens there always someone around to take a note of it, or embelish it as they see fit. How much time have you spent with Lance Armstrong.....zero......

have you read the thing? i would think you really would have to try hard to treat other people as bad as this. seriously. what's armstrong's problem? never have i come across anyone as horrible as him

he's like all the most obnoxious premiership footballers rolled into one person :eek:
 
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have you read the thing? i would think you really would have to try hard to treat other people as bad as this. seriously. what's armstrong's problem? never have i come across anyone as horrible as him

he's like all the most obnoxious premiership footballers rolled into one person :eek:

It's a lawyers job to make the defendent, in this case Lance Armstrong, appear this way. In a previous existence, one I am not particularly proud of except for the fact it paid the bills, I was hired as a creative writer to "punch up" personal law suit complaints like this. Where this lawyer might have used one word, like say reprehensible, he uses "The conduct...was also extreme and outrageous because..." and similar over the top expressions. I am no apologist for Mr. Armstrong, but don't read too much into inflamatory language in a lawsuit. Also, I worked for a very welathy family for a decade or so, and the number of personal lawsuits that arose for any number of reasons was amazing. My job as GM was to engage our attorneys and it seemed like I was on the phone with them every week for ten years handling personal lawsuits. You will know what I am talking about when you have money. And having been a victim of extortion myself, I am not going to pass judgment on any of the parties named in that suit. I hope Mr. Anderson is doing well and his family is thriving. I hope the same for Mr. Armstrong.
 
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You will know what I am talking about when you have money.

:rolleyes:

thanks but i have the money i need. and they have yet to make me treat other people like lance armstrong does.

this is not the only piece of evidence telling us of armstrong's despicable character and treatment of other people

what we're talking about here is a guy who doesn't even come across as likeable in his own books! surely a first :eek:
 
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Race Radio said:
Mike is a good guy. He received a settlement from Armstrong and Lance took Mike's ideas and opened Mellow Johnny's. Mike moved to New Zealand to escape the harassment from the Armstrong groupies.

Can definitely second all of that. I was introduced to him by some other yankee expat friends a couple of years back. He is a good guy, very straight up and down. He doesn't say anything about the whole episode - in fact I only put two and two together on that when I came across the same pdf by chance shortly after I met him.

The good news for those who are interested is that he has recently opened his own bike shop - needless to say, without armstrong's help! - and is by all accounts doing well. He's bringing a little bit of that classic North American bike shop to down under. He also gets big ups in my book for being a champion for the introduction of cyclo-cross to NZ - having organised the first ever winter series to be held down there! (I'm very happy about this since I'm heading back down there soon and am feeling a bit upset about missing the cyclo-cross season in Ottawa this fall!)
 
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Read some of the .pdf file / Mike Anderson Suit.

Some interesting reading. One question I have just from the beginning of the reading. Where is the email that initially started his employment?
 
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Reminds me a lot of some of my in laws. Fun people, you can have a good time with them - but they get fully into relationships with people than dump them suddenly - because any issue you have with them can't be resolved. They alway's percieve themselves to be the wronged party and generally project the own tendancies to use people somewhat, on to the other party. What I read of LA reminds me of them - with some sizable paranoia chucked in :D
 
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shawnrohrbach said:
It's a lawyers job to make the defendent, in this case Lance Armstrong, appear this way. In a previous existence, one I am not particularly proud of except for the fact it paid the bills, I was hired as a creative writer to "punch up" personal law suit complaints like this. Where this lawyer might have used one word, like say reprehensible, he uses "The conduct...was also extreme and outrageous because..." and similar over the top expressions. I am no apologist for Mr. Armstrong, but don't read too much into inflamatory language in a lawsuit. Also, I worked for a very welathy family for a decade or so, and the number of personal lawsuits that arose for any number of reasons was amazing. My job as GM was to engage our attorneys and it seemed like I was on the phone with them every week for ten years handling personal lawsuits. You will know what I am talking about when you have money. And having been a victim of extortion myself, I am not going to pass judgment on any of the parties named in that suit. I hope Mr. Anderson is doing well and his family is thriving. I hope the same for Mr. Armstrong.

Thanks for your very sensible comments. Sadly it is not worth wasting your time attempting to provide reason into this forum on the subject of LA. There are at least half a dozen people who for various reasons, some obviously personal, attempt to trash him at every possible opportunity. There are a lot more who must hate excellence because they go to great length using pseudo science, half truths, and outright lies in an attempt to prove all of the best professional cyclists are cheating in some way.
 

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Thanks for your very sensible comments. Sadly it is not worth wasting your time attempting to provide reason into this forum on the subject of LA. There are at least half a dozen people who for various reasons, some obviously personal, attempt to trash him at every possible opportunity. There are a lot more who must hate excellence because they go to great length using pseudo science, half truths, and outright lies in an attempt to prove all of the best professional cyclists are cheating in some way.

Thats a rather odd post - as all you have ever contributed is to make 'personal' attacks on posters that have a different opinion to yours. I have yet to see where you have highlighted an "outright lie".

Also - being a rather older poster with obvious experience, could you tell me what CRM means?
 
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Oldnell said:
Thanks for your very sensible comments. Sadly it is not worth wasting your time attempting to provide reason into this forum on the subject of LA. There are at least half a dozen people who for various reasons, some obviously personal, attempt to trash him at every possible opportunity. There are a lot more who must hate excellence because they go to great length using pseudo science, half truths, and outright lies in an attempt to prove all of the best professional cyclists are cheating in some way.

If you have any evidence of outright lies, why don't you post it instead of just telling others not to post relevant information.

There is more pseudo science used in defense of cyclists, than in efforts to 'prove they are all doping'. It's the most thoroughly researched and well understood stuff that points to doping. The 'what if this happens on rare occasions' and 'this can't be fully ruled out yet' kinds of ideas that are used to suggest that cyclist just might be riding clean.
 
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Thanks for your very sensible comments. Sadly it is not worth wasting your time attempting to provide reason into this forum on the subject of LA. There are at least half a dozen people who for various reasons, some obviously personal, attempt to trash him at every possible opportunity. There are a lot more who must hate excellence because they go to great length using pseudo science, half truths, and outright lies in an attempt to prove all of the best professional cyclists are cheating in some way.

That is my favorite one. I just love that line. It must be on one of the first few pages of the handbook.
 
Oldnell said:
Thanks for your very sensible comments. Sadly it is not worth wasting your time attempting to provide reason into this forum on the subject of LA. There are at least half a dozen people who for various reasons, some obviously personal, attempt to trash him at every possible opportunity. There are a lot more who must hate excellence because they go to great length using pseudo science, half truths, and outright lies in an attempt to prove all of the best professional cyclists are cheating in some way.

I just want to know if Lance through some intermediaries employs people to post favorable comments about him as a form of spin/damage control?

I don't have anything against the practice, it's just that I have some experience as a writer and this economy has me concerned about the security of my 'day job' and anything involving writing that can earn a little spare change for me is worth discussing.
 
Oldnell said:
Thanks for your very sensible comments. Sadly it is not worth wasting your time attempting to provide reason into this forum on the subject of LA. There are at least half a dozen people who for various reasons, some obviously personal, attempt to trash him at every possible opportunity. There are a lot more who must hate excellence because they go to great length using pseudo science, half truths, and outright lies in an attempt to prove all of the best professional cyclists are cheating in some way.

In your light, even BPC shines brightly.:eek:
 
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Some pdf file should not convince all and sundry about what LA is really like if you have met him or know him fine, otherwise keep an open mind. He is rich and money can make people crazy, I am not talking about Lance I am talking about people potentially seeing a chance to exploit the situation. Like flies to feces.

"When Anderson drove Armstrong's support car his duties included [...] deflecting traffic and angry motorists". Wow even Lance has to deal with idiots in cars.

Wow the more I read the more awesomely useful Mr Anderson seems to be. I'm down to the bit where he's a pentilingual zoo keeper/ranger bike mechanic. What's next Lance asks him to breed dodos? Dig out a bomb shelter?

LOL not far off "build 10 miles bike trails". Catch a fly with chopsticks please. "I hear those Human Genome Project people are slacking, go over and see what you can do Mike" :D
 
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Oldnell said:
Thanks for your very sensible comments. Sadly it is not worth wasting your time attempting to provide reason into this forum on the subject of LA. There are at least half a dozen people who for various reasons, some obviously personal, attempt to trash him at every possible opportunity. There are a lot more who must hate excellence because they go to great length using pseudo science, half truths, and outright lies in an attempt to prove all of the best professional cyclists are cheating in some way.

1/2 dozen? Way more. And now look at germany where polls say 60% of our citizens are convinced that Epo-Lance is a doper.

This arrogant guy is the lowest point of cycling. He has nothing to do with excellence.

There is no half truths, lies and pseudo science. He is a convicted doper with 7 positiv tests.

The way you are naive, its a wonder that you was a pilot.
 
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I assume you've got some valid evidence to back that up?

Common, its repeated a tousand times in various newspapers, internet-sites and books. Just go out and read. Its not my job to do your work. I am sorry...
 

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