Mom, Dad, Doping

[sniper]

Father of French rider Jonathan Boyer just caused a crash at a race in Reunion by pulling a metal fence onto the road right in front of the passing peloton.

The footage is insane:
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/riders-father-fined-and-arrested-after-moving-barriers-deliberately-causing-race-crash/
Apparently Father Boyer got pissed off hearing that his son had crashed earlier and the peloton didnt wait for him.

It reminded me once again of how crazily ambitious some parents are and the role they end up playing in pushing their kids towards doping. I think the role of Lance's parents is one of the better known such cases. But I think if you look up close, you're gonna find plenty of similar cases.
Some parent-child relationships that I'd like to know more about:
Wiggins, Lemond, Phinney, Froome, Floyd.
What about Contador, Vino , Ricco, Cadel, and others?

Anybody know of cases where parents actively seek to protect their kids from doping and/or take a (public) stance against it? Inga Thompson springs to mind: http://www.theouterline.com/perspectives-on-doping-in-pro-cycling-2-inga-thompson-5/

 

[doperhopper]

He should just push him like another devout father, Dr. Lamborghini ( or buy him Cipo e-bike)


https://books.google.com/books?id=M8UDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=michele+ferrari+daughter&source=bl&ots=bhm-buRwub&sig=zzWWpEMOhQ0qBz9QemdKoQq7dY0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtx_--2fjOAhVDOxoKHV-jDWAQ6AEIJjAE#v=onepage&q=michele%20ferrari%20daughter&f=false

 

[sniper]

popular jams, stop whining.

i realize there is the potential here to offend people, so you have a point there.
we could stick to discussing the Boyer incident and related incidents (along the lines of what doperhopper posted), though that's not necessarily Clinic material.
i'll leave it to the mods to close it or move it as they wish.
or maybe the thread just suffers a silent death.

 

[Benotti69]

Femke Van den Driessche springs to mind.

Stephen Roche and Nico Roche.

Zabel and son Erik Zabel.

Neil Martin and Dan Martin.

 

[sniper]

Re:

Femke Van den Driessche springs to mind.

we'll have to wait five months and three weeks to properly discuss this one

But yeah this is a classic.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Some parent-child relationships that I'd like to know more about:
Wiggins, Lemond, Phinney, Froome, Floyd.
What about Contador, Vino , Ricco, Cadel, and others?

I don't think we know much about these, besides Wiggins I guess

But, on the topic of parent-child relationships and doping, what about Vino's twins? They're already racing up climbs at great speed (joke)

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re:

Femke Van den Driessche springs to mind.

Stephen Roche and Nico Roche.

Zabel and son Erik Zabel.

Neil Martin and Dan Martin.

Now you're just naming father/son pairings.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Mum, dad, doping - the blood bank of mum and dad?

I'll get my coat...

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Lance's absent dad was a major factor
in his psychological make up
according to that fiction that is: It's not about the Bike

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Mitochondrial DNA comes from your mother only. That matters a lot for inherited physiological capabilities important in cycling. But as they say, choose your parents wisely.

 

[Escarabajo]

Re: Re:

Femke Van den Driessche springs to mind.

Stephen Roche and Nico Roche.

Zabel and son Erik Zabel.

Neil Martin and Dan Martin.

Now you're just naming father/son pairings.

Remember that Benotti believes that 100% of the riders dope. So any pairing will do.

 

[doperhopper]

staying in the father-son-doping theme, The Chosen One is coming: Mr. 60% Jr.

Thomas Riis in Bjarne's new team

m.youtube.com/watch?v=N5SoeXnIr04

 

[Starstruck]

Father of French rider Jonathan Boyer just caused a crash at a race in Reunion by pulling a metal fence onto the road right in front of the passing peloton.

The footage is insane:
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/riders-father-fined-and-arrested-after-moving-barriers-deliberately-causing-race-crash/
Apparently Father Boyer got pissed off hearing that his son had crashed earlier and the peloton didnt wait for him.

It reminded me once again of how crazily ambitious some parents are and the role they end up playing in pushing their kids towards doping. I think the role of Lance's parents is one of the better known such cases. But I think if you look up close, you're gonna find plenty of similar cases.
Some parent-child relationships that I'd like to know more about:
Wiggins, Lemond, Phinney, Froome, Floyd.
What about Contador, Vino , Ricco, Cadel, and others?

Anybody know of cases where parents actively seek to protect their kids from doping and/or take a (public) stance against it? Inga Thompson springs to mind: http://www.theouterline.com/perspectives-on-doping-in-pro-cycling-2-inga-thompson-5/

Go to a Junior race in Belgium (though I can only imagine it's the same elsewhere), particularly an *important* race and watch the doting. I was amazed at the over the top babying but it may have changed. The family I lived with in Belgium (the father, that probably was a good amateur cyclist bordering on pro.) was procuring drugs for his amateur (and pathetic - I could tell stories) son. He was also berating me for being a baby because I refused to take them. Thankfully he only spoke Flemish and I couldn't understand a word when I arrived though I could understand about 80-90% of their dialect after 3 months immersed. I could talk back too, which was fun.

No different than hockey parents, football parents (either way) or any other sport (or anything else, academics, music, etc.) that dump their dreams of "success" on their spawn. Vicarious dreamscapes, nightmares.

I see crazy people.

pps. a junior I would train with in Belgium occasionally had to get his doctor to announce in the paper that he had to stop racing for health reasons so his "supporters" wouldn't harass him. Total b.s. of course. We laughed about it.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Femke Van den Driessche springs to mind.

Stephen Roche and Nico Roche.

Zabel and son Erik Zabel.

Neil Martin and Dan Martin.

Now you're just naming father/son pairings.

True, but they are prominent in our sport regardless. Some, like Zabel, Phinney and Roche have healthy relationships with their fathers. Others - like Wigans - didn't, while Armstrong never knew his father.

Relationships can form a major part of a persons makeup and decisions.

Example: Is Erik Zabel in young Rick's ear telling him not to make the same decisions he did, or telling him what he "needs" to do to become a good pro? We don't know, and it's none of our business but I'm certain that it would have a bearing on Rick's decisions in the future - at least moreso than a fellow rider or DS.

 

[sniper]

...
Go to a Junior race in Belgium (though I can only imagine it's the same elsewhere), particularly an *important* race and watch the doting. I was amazed at the over the top babying but it may have changed.

The family I lived with in Belgium (the father, that probably was a good amateur cyclist bordering on pro.) was procuring drugs for his amateur (and pathetic - I could tell stories) son. He was also berating me for being a baby because I refused to take them. Thankfully he only spoke Flemish and I couldn't understand a word when I arrived though I could understand about 80-90% of their dialect after 3 months immersed. I could talk back too, which was fun.

No different than hockey parents, football parents (either way) or any other sport (or anything else, academics, music, etc.) that dump their dreams of "success" on their spawn. Vicarious dreamscapes, nightmares.

I see crazy people.

pps. a junior I would train with in Belgium occasionally had to get his doctor to announce in the paper that he had to stop racing for health reasons so his "supporters" wouldn't harass him. Total b.s. of course. We laughed about it.

interesting anecdotes, cheers.

I doubt there is a country where cycling is more popular than in Belgium.
In the aftermath of the USADA-Lance affaire, i remember a Belgian journalist on Dutch television admitting that most Belgians (including the journos) simply don't give a fig about the doping.
The good thing about that is that they don't have (m)any false pretenses about 'clean cycling' and 'a new generation'.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Wives should also be on the list of those who add pressure to dope/bring home the bacon.

 

[sniper]

true story.
I offer Michelle. Kathy.

 

[simoni]

Re:

So, in conclusion, riders are sometimes put under pressure to ride fast.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

So, in conclusion, riders are sometimes put under pressure to ride fast.

yeah, who'd have thunk.

The thread was a bit of a kind of a 'fishing for anecdotes' type of exercise.
But except for Starstruck nobody seemed to have any.
Oh well.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

Relationships can form a major part of a persons makeup and decisions.

Example: Is Erik Zabel in young Rick's ear telling him not to make the same decisions he did, or telling him what he "needs" to do to become a good pro? We don't know, and it's none of our business but I'm certain that it would have a bearing on Rick's decisions in the future - at least moreso than a fellow rider or DS.

Deep philosophy in the Clinic, who woulda thunk it? But it does sound rather ... fundamentalist - choose the right emphasis in there - saying that the sins of the father pass to the son. Kinda crazy Southern talk...

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Relationships can form a major part of a persons makeup and decisions.

Example: Is Erik Zabel in young Rick's ear telling him not to make the same decisions he did, or telling him what he "needs" to do to become a good pro? We don't know, and it's none of our business but I'm certain that it would have a bearing on Rick's decisions in the future - at least moreso than a fellow rider or DS.

Deep philosophy in the Clinic, who woulda thunk it? But it does sound rather ... fundamentalist - choose the right emphasis in there - saying that the sins of the father pass to the son. Kinda crazy Southern talk...

I'm not saying that they are or aren't, just that a parents' input can have some influence.

To continue with my example, looking at young Rick's results, maybe Erik has influenced him to err on the side of caution. The fact he's struggling to match some other riders of a similar age suggests it's possible.

I think it's a worthwhile question.

 

[sniper]

I offer Mathieu van der Poel, son of Adri.

Fun fact:
In 1983 Adri tested positive for strychnine. He said that his father-in-law had served a pigeon pie for Sunday lunch, and only when he tested positive did he realise that the pigeons had been doped with strychnine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adri_van_der_Poel

 

[Farcanal]

Father of French rider Jonathan Boyer just caused a crash at a race in Reunion by pulling a metal fence onto the road right in front of the passing peloton.

The footage is insane:
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/riders-father-fined-and-arrested-after-moving-barriers-deliberately-causing-race-crash/
Apparently Father Boyer got pissed off hearing that his son had crashed earlier and the peloton didnt wait for him.

It reminded me once again of how crazily ambitious some parents are and the role they end up playing in pushing their kids towards doping. I think the role of Lance's parents is one of the better known such cases. But I think if you look up close, you're gonna find plenty of similar cases.
Some parent-child relationships that I'd like to know more about:
Wiggins, Lemond, Phinney, Froome, Floyd.
What about Contador, Vino , Ricco, Cadel, and others?

Anybody know of cases where parents actively seek to protect their kids from doping and/or take a (public) stance against it? Inga Thompson springs to mind: http://www.theouterline.com/perspectives-on-doping-in-pro-cycling-2-inga-thompson-5/

I understand and accept that the Clinic views Wiggins with disdain, but I don't see his parentage is relevant to his achievements, in terms of being pushy. He may have inherited physical attributes from Gary, although the scientists claim these come from your mother, but he is highly unlikely to have been pushy as he wasn't around except for the first few years. His mother actively discouraged Wiggins taking up cycling early on too, so there's no connection there either.

 

[pastronef]

Re:

I offer Mathieu van der Poel, son of Adri.

Fun fact:
In 1983 Adri tested positive for strychnine. He said that his father-in-law had served a pigeon pie for Sunday lunch, and only when he tested positive did he realise that the pigeons had been doped with strychnine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adri_van_der_Poel

and he´s Raymond Poulidor´s nephew too

 

[Craigee]

Dumb thread. What parents would want their child to dope when it is so dangerous to their health? I think we have some jealous parents here whose kids are nil at sport.