umm Sam and Deviant. You're not convincing anyone. Only highlighting the motor doping more. To me the biggest give away with Sky is the way they all recover and go again and again not just during grand tours but going from one tour to the next like it's just light training. There is all the stuff about Quintana and plenty of others clearly not coping with smashing stage after stage of a tour but they also can't cope with doing two GT's in a season. But Froome and his team mates feel no bad effects. Geraint Thomas had crashes and struggled of course but the marginal gains are just too incredible to be true. Well Wiggins said they're not true didn't he?