NBA Implements HGH test for 14/15. Lebron and Melo lose around 30Lbs immediately

[can139]

Hello everyone, I don't know if there are many people here that follow NBA, but As you might have heard, the NBA finally decided to test the players for HGH starting from the next season.

This offseason, Lebron dropped from around 275 to 235, Carmelo anthony has also lost around 25. They spin these as efforts to be more lean and preserve their knees but I call bull**** and would like to know if anyone thinks like me too? I know this is a cycling forum but at the same time the best doping discussion area also, so sorry if i broke some rules.


Finally, sprinters like Kittel and Cavendish should definitely be on some form of HGH. right?

 

[MarkvW]

Hello everyone, I don't know if there are many people here that follow NBA, but As you might have heard, the NBA finally decided to test the players for HGH starting from the next season.

This offseason, Lebron dropped from around 275 to 235, Carmelo anthony has also lost around 25. They spin these as efforts to be more lean and preserve their knees but I call bull**** and would like to know if anyone thinks like me too? I know this is a cycling forum but at the same time the best doping discussion area also, so sorry if i broke some rules.


Finally, sprinters like Kittel and Cavendish should definitely be on some form of HGH. right?

IMO, NBA is PED.

 

[Futuroscope]

Hello everyone, I don't know if there are many people here that follow NBA, but As you might have heard, the NBA finally decided to test the players for HGH starting from the next season.

This offseason, Lebron dropped from around 275 to 235, Carmelo anthony has also lost around 25. They spin these as efforts to be more lean and preserve their knees but I call bull**** and would like to know if anyone thinks like me too? I know this is a cycling forum but at the same time the best doping discussion area also, so sorry if i broke some rules.


Finally, sprinters like Kittel and Cavendish should definitely be on some form of HGH. right?

That type of weight loss can't be explained by GH testing alone. When used with AAS GH has synergistic muscle growth effects but NBA players aren't running bodybuilding dosages (of GH), they are using it as a recovery aid.

The weight loss rather indicates that he went off AAS (for whatever reason).

 

[DirtyWorks]

This offseason, Lebron dropped from around 275 to 235, Carmelo anthony has also lost around 25. They spin these as efforts to be more lean and preserve their knees but I call bull**** and would like to know if anyone thinks like me too? I know this is a cycling forum but at the same time the best doping discussion area also, so sorry if i broke some rules.

Replace the acronym NFL with NBA and it's exactly what you need to know about testing. Read it carefully. It's packed tight with details about evasion and detection loopholes.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/24/hgh-test/

It's not a perfect article as somehow baseball is the cleanest sport ever.

The other part of that is Testosterone use combined with HGH. It's apparently a very powerful combination for recovery. Testosterone abuse is rampant and codified to be abused with absurd T/E ratios.

Lots of maybes and certainly no positives from the league's biggest audience attractors.

I'm guessing there will be a very slow moving "study" of the abuse as the IOC has been known to do to slow down any attempt to limit doping.

 

[Oldman]

Replace the acronym NFL with NBA and it's exactly what you need to know about testing. Read it carefully. It's packed tight with details about evasion and detection loopholes.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/24/hgh-test/

It's not a perfect article as somehow baseball is the cleanest sport ever.

The other part of that is Testosterone use combined with HGH. It's apparently a very powerful combination for recovery. Testosterone abuse is rampant and codified to be abused with absurd T/E ratios.

Lots of maybes and certainly no positives from the league's biggest audience attractors.

I'm guessing there will be a very slow moving "study" of the abuse as the IOC has been known to do to slow down any attempt to limit doping.

This and EPO use. Guys that size running sprints every night is suspicious as well. It's probably the first window dressing measure to avoid further scrutiny by USADA or Congress. Baseball's PED mess is likely headed to the NBA Commissioner's door if it isn't knocking on it already.

 

[Oldman]

This and EPO use. Guys that size running sprints every night is suspicious as well. It's probably the first window dressing measure to avoid further scrutiny by USADA or Congress. Baseball's PED mess is likely headed to the NBA Commissioner's door if it isn't knocking on it already.

That article was from July 2013 as well so new sins are going to increase pressure, hopefully.

 

[ChrisE]

This and EPO use. Guys that size running sprints every night is suspicious as well. It's probably the first window dressing measure to avoid further scrutiny by USADA or Congress. Baseball's PED mess is likely headed to the NBA Commissioner's door if it isn't knocking on it already.

They only play about 3 nights a week on average, rarely back to backs.

I do think the OP has an interesting take.

 

[D-Queued]

Hello everyone, I don't know if there are many people here that follow NBA, but As you might have heard, the NBA finally decided to test the players for HGH starting from the next season.

This offseason, Lebron dropped from around 275 to 235, Carmelo anthony has also lost around 25. They spin these as efforts to be more lean and preserve their knees but I call bull**** and would like to know if anyone thinks like me too? I know this is a cycling forum but at the same time the best doping discussion area also, so sorry if i broke some rules.


Finally, sprinters like Kittel and Cavendish should definitely be on some form of HGH. right?

Hmmm... didn't I read a post something about LeBron's magical transformation somewhere recently?

Switching subjects, but staying with the thread theme, is anyone else's curiosity piqued by the major body mass change in LeBron James?

LeBron James on no-carb diet to prepare for upcoming NBA season

No carbs? Really?

For the poster child of physique enhancement, how about no 'supplements'?

Dave.

Nice post Dave.

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The weight loss rather indicates that he went off AAS (for whatever reason).

What he said.

Dave.

 

[yespatterns]

Pretty sure HGH use increases water retention way past the norm. Could be a factor in rapid weight loss *if* cutting HGH is involved. NBA is for diva's so I dont pay attention to it.

 

[Oldman]

They only play about 3 nights a week on average, rarely back to backs.

I do think the OP has an interesting take.

You've got 400 meter runners and sprinter using it. Why wouldn't a 270 lb. guy need better recovery after repeated sprints? The OP does have one take because the base level knowledge for the younger players is what everyone else does and HGH didn't have a test. They make million$ so only sourcing the PEDs carefully is their concern.

 

[Berzin]

Carmelo Anthony needed to lose weight because he was not in very good shape. Losing a couple of pounds of fat isn't indicative of previous PED use.

James needed to lose weight because he was just too big, and the constant demands of having to carry his team night in and night out took its toll. He will have a different role this year, so the weight loss will come in handy. And it wasn't 40 pounds.

I know quite a few Clinicians think every professional athlete in every sport is on a PED regimen, but the fact that the average US sports fan doesn't care much about PED's tells you that cycling is one of the few sports where everyone gets to accuse any rider of doping without knowing anything and is considered legitimate.

Lebron James has been a freak of nature since he was born. He was diesel since high school, and just kept getting bigger the more he worked out. If he took the amount of steroids necessary to get as big as he was, his tendons and ligaments would have all snapped by now.

The average US sports fan just does not care one way or another, and that is reflected (baseball aside) in the penalties.

Only cycling has such a draconian penalty system in place for dopers, one that I've never agreed with. First offense should be 6 months, second a year, third two years.

 

[Granville57]

I do think the OP has an interesting take.

Perhaps Chris could provide us with his definition of "do."

Because is appears that some have interpreted that as "don't."

This topic isn't as provocative or nearly as interesting.

As what?

 

[ChrisE]

My definition of 'do' is the same as yours. Berzin is just trying real hard to agree with me about something to feed his self loathing about banning vortex.

We have not heard anything about being overweight from any of these guys or any reports anywhere, and I have never heard of Carmelo being out of shape. You learn alot of cool stuff in the clinic.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Carmelo Anthony needed to lose weight because he was not in very good shape. Losing a couple of pounds of fat isn't indicative of previous PED use.

James needed to lose weight because he was just too big, and the constant demands of having to carry his team night in and night out took its toll. He will have a different role this year, so the weight loss will come in handy. And it wasn't 40 pounds.

I know quite a few Clinicians think every professional athlete in every sport is on a PED regimen, but the fact that the average US sports fan doesn't care much about PED's tells you that cycling is one of the few sports where everyone gets to accuse any rider of doping without knowing anything and is considered legitimate.

Lebron James has been a freak of nature since he was born. He was diesel since high school, and just kept getting bigger the more he worked out. If he took the amount of steroids necessary to get as big as he was, his tendons and ligaments would have all snapped by now.

The average US sports fan just does not care one way or another, and that is reflected (baseball aside) in the penalties.

Only cycling has such a draconian penalty system in place for dopers, one that I've never agreed with. First offense should be 6 months, second a year, third two years.

I don't think you wrote one sentence that I agree with, and I generally feel th exact opposite you do on all counts (besides Lebron's build in his early years.)

 

[D-Queued]

I don't think you wrote one sentence that I agree with, and I generally feel th exact opposite you do on all counts (besides Lebron's build in his early years.)

Agreed.

One becomes a freak of nature by applying 'devices' to thwart or otherwise overcome nature.

LeBron's build was not normal. Simple.

Dave.

 

[hfer07]

HGH testing in principle is good, but ineffective if its done every 6 months, which is the typical standard for American Professional sports to "comply" with anti-doping policies

BTW- why HGH alone when anyone can get AICAR?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Originally Posted by More Strides than Rides View Post
I don't think you wrote one sentence that I agree with, and I generally feel th exact opposite you do on all counts (besides Lebron's build in his early years.)

D-Queued;1552275]Agreed. One becomes a freak of nature by applying 'devices' to thwart or otherwise overcome nature. LeBron's build was not normal. Simple. Dave.

I agree with Berzin. I played BB at the Div I University level for 3 years. There are a lot of legitimate reasons for BB players to lose weight and the Sports Illustrated article makes it clear what these athletes did to lose weight it had nothing to do with PEDs.

If SI thought PEDs were involved they would have said that in their article. If Steve Nash says he lost weight by cutting out sugar you know that is the truth because Steve is integrity personified.

As to Lebron, to suggest his body is not a freak of nature is to be blind. There is no evidence he did anything but grow.

Berzin is correct in that D and MSTR are biased, cynical, and prejudiced in favour of any athlete who is successful as being on dope. Once again their point of view is totally unsubstantiated speculation, innuendo, and gossip, with absolutely no evidence to substantiate their ongoing and outrageous rubbish. Trolling at its best. Ask D and MSTR to prove their vacuous theories. They can't.

I know this is a cycling forum but at the same time the best doping discussion area...

As for can139 , you are sadly misinformed about the Clinic. If you really want to understand doping in Sport go on the WADA, CCES, USADA and CAS websites. Read some CCES, USADA and CAS cases. Read some of the better books by former dopers. Read some of the research literature about various PEDS. Then you may learn something about doping. In the Clinic all you will learn is cynicism, negativity and how to make a clever but meaningless retort!

 

[Oldman]

LeBron is a genuine freak of nature and short term weight loss isn't a specific indicator of anything. I weigh half of what he does and lost 10 lbs in 3 weeks of riding hard in the heat.
Having said that IMO there is serious incentive for players to recover and maintain a level of freshness, particularly in the playoffs. It's one thing to see Ray Allen whom always maintained impeccable fitness and quite another to see players not known for quickness manage to stay lively into late stages of a game. The playoff run is particularly tough at the end of the season so maybe the NBA has a reason for concern. Maybe some of the recent busts in MLB and NFL have something to do with it. That opinion isn't cynicism alone; it's paying attention to the evolution of a sport after watching it for 50 years.
Sh*t, Kareem could be a Div 1 hurdler in this era with the right doctor.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I agree with Berzin. I played BB at the Div I University level for 3 years. There are a lot of legitimate reasons for BB players to lose weight and the Sports Illustrated article makes it clear what these athletes did to lose weight it had nothing to do with PEDs.

If SI thought PEDs were involved they would have said that in their article. If Steve Nash says he lost weight by cutting out sugar you know that is the truth because Steve is integrity personified.

As to Lebron, to suggest his body is not a freak of nature is to be blind. There is no evidence he did anything but grow.

Berzin is correct in that D and MSTR are biased, cynical, and prejudiced in favour of any athlete who is successful as being on dope. Once again their point of view is totally unsubstantiated speculation, innuendo, and gossip, with absolutely no evidence to substantiate their ongoing and outrageous rubbish. Trolling at its best. Ask D and MSTR to prove their vacuous theories. They can't.



As for can139 , ou are sadly misinformed about the Clinic. If you really want to understand doping in Sport go on the WADA, CCES, USADA and CAS websites. Read some CCES, USADA and CAS cases. Read some of the better books by former dopers. Read some of the research literature about various PEDS. Then you may learn something about doping. In the Clinic all you will learn is cynicism, negativity and how to make a clever but meaningless retort!

You direct someone to the USADA website but then you must know Travis Tygart described NBA drug testing as "not at all difficult to beat" in March last year.

It's hardly a stretch to imagine the most physically developed player in the history of the NBA is using PED's. IMO his height makes him a genetic freak, his physical attributes are suspect.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

If he took the amount of steroids necessary to get as big as he was, his tendons and ligaments would have all snapped by now.
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This is kind of an interesting point to me. Generally it seems when guys get to the height of a guy like Lebron they are more prone to injuries, using steroids on top of that would make one even more injury prone. Growth hormone causes fluid retention in ligaments and tendons and hence reduces the risk of injury.

 

[Oldman]

If he took the samoutn of sterpoids necessary to get as big as he was, his tendons and ligaments would have all snapped by now.
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This is kind of an interesting point to me. Generally it seems when guys get to the height of a guy like Lebron they are more prone to injuries, using steroids on top of that would make one even more injury prone. Growth hormone causes fluid retention in ligaments and tendons and hence reduces the risk of injury.

I really doubt he grew up on PEDs, so the risk to him would be manageable for recovery use like any legitimate patient. He's probably not a good example because of his genetic advantage.
Granted I'm nearer 5' tall than 7' so everyone in the NBA has that advantage from my perspective.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

It is interesting to see people who believe their sport to be clean try to take away any ounce of common sense to try to make their case.

Since when has WADA or USADA or CAS been at the forefront of doping knowledge - if they were they would have caught more people.

If you want to know about the use of drugs try reading some of the drug related books outside of the cycling world where people really do lay the drug taking bare and explain what it is about- or log onto one of the body building and weight forums where you will learn all about how to keep muscles and ligaments in shape to cope with HUGE increases in loads and usage.

The simple fact is that when there are incredible amounts of money on the line drugs get involved.
If you believe that there is not and hasn't been a very real drug problem in junior sport in the US for the last 10 - 15 years you are deluded.

Very much like the genetic modifications of rugby players the genetic freaks who ALL manage to find there way into professional sport should set some alarm bells ringing in all but the most naive or emu like.

NBA is no different to NFL or MLB there is HGH, testosterone and AAS in use. the only difference now is these things are being used earlier to ensure these guys are at the top of their sport in high school and college so they may not look to have changed that much when they reach the pro ranks because the damage is done.

I do not look forward to the days when these guys stop playing and then watch the deterioration of their bodies which have been destroyed through years of chemical engineering.

 

[Berzin]

One becomes a freak of nature by applying 'devices' to thwart or otherwise overcome nature.

Dave.

That isn't some universal truism, it's an opinion that happens to not be true. One doesn't "become" a freak of nature. The reference denotes one is born with gifts rare even among other athletic outliers.

Lebron was playing professional basketball at the age of 18 against grown men and dominating.

Steroids had nothing to do with that.

 

[proffate]

Carmelo Anthony needed to lose weight because he was not in very good shape. Losing a couple of pounds of fat isn't indicative of previous PED use.

James needed to lose weight because he was just too big, and the constant demands of having to carry his team night in and night out took its toll. He will have a different role this year, so the weight loss will come in handy. And it wasn't 40 pounds.

I know quite a few Clinicians think every professional athlete in every sport is on a PED regimen, but the fact that the average US sports fan doesn't care much about PED's tells you that cycling is one of the few sports where everyone gets to accuse any rider of doping without knowing anything and is considered legitimate.

Lebron James has been a freak of nature since he was born. He was diesel since high school, and just kept getting bigger the more he worked out. If he took the amount of steroids necessary to get as big as he was, his tendons and ligaments would have all snapped by now.

The average US sports fan just does not care one way or another, and that is reflected (baseball aside) in the penalties.

Only cycling has such a draconian penalty system in place for dopers, one that I've never agreed with. First offense should be 6 months, second a year, third two years.

so because Americans don't care about PED usage it doesn't exist?

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Lebron was playing professional basketball at the age of 18 against grown men and dominating.

Yeah Lebron is a freak, but if these guys aren't charging they are leaving a ton of money on the table.

This is the best thing I have ever read about the major US sports:
http://grantland.com/features/daring-ask-ped-question/