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Official "another interesting piece I found on Alberto Contador" Thread
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OK, this is the one.
Whatever "interesting" news story or opinion or quote or video snippet you find.... this is the thread it goes in. Right at the end.
If it isn't clear by now what well intending posters are doing to this place by not thinking about the consequences of drawing everyone's attention by starting a new thread to point to a new bit of media, folk aren't thinking hard enough.
Post here or face the consequences.
And read the stickies.
[Kimmage gets a pass for having been up there for a bit]
OK, this is the one.
Whatever "interesting" news story or opinion or quote or video snippet you find.... this is the thread it goes in. Right at the end.
If it isn't clear by now what well intending posters are doing to this place by not thinking about the consequences of drawing everyone's attention by starting a new thread to point to a new bit of media, folk aren't thinking hard enough.
Post here or face the consequences.
And read the stickies.
[Kimmage gets a pass for having been up there for a bit]
Yes, very good article although I am surprised she did not mention in suppport of her argument the very obvious analogous case of Fuyu Li http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=16821 where the rider's own federation handed out a 2 year penalty and there was very little handwringing on his behalf.
Of course the Spanish Fed may have been going to school on the outrageous 1 year penalty the Astana Fed dared lob Vino's way!
Bonnie should however have pointed out that the CAS tends to straighten the record when tainted decisions are made by national federations so that all is not lost (after all they do have their reputations to think about)
Of course the Spanish Fed may have been going to school on the outrageous 1 year penalty the Astana Fed dared lob Vino's way!
Bonnie should however have pointed out that the CAS tends to straighten the record when tainted decisions are made by national federations so that all is not lost (after all they do have their reputations to think about)
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Reading into a comment from Contadors press conference.
During press conference:Contador said that other athletes have supported him (we know who some of these athletes are - http://especialfutbol.tv/videos-ext/3628890014-xabi-alonso-muestra-su-apoyo-contador )
But more imporantly, that in their support they say that it could have been them
" other athletes know that it could have been them. Its a injustice. It was me but it could have been anyone". Source - eurosport translation.
At this point Contador was very emotional. Stressed the word injustice. I think he feels an injustice. THere is an injustice. Not that hes getting punished for eating meat. Of course Contador knows that isnt an injustice. He knows how that clenbuterol got into his system - doping. But what is an injustice is that it really could have happened to anyone. Why are "clean" athletes supporting him
Imo the emotion displayed here is real. Or substituted anyway. The guys a cyclist not an actor and there are no special effects either. He substitutes the non existant injustice of getting punished for something he didnt do, for the real injustice of getting punished for something most people get away with.
Answer, i think is Omerta is sport wide. Jesus Manzano met footballers and tennis players at Fuentes clinic. Why wouldnt Contador have done the same. It could have happened to" anyone" because "everyone" is doping. Thats why they support him, and if the roles were reversed, he them
Or, you could understand it as a threat
"it could happen to anyone" meaning, if you **** with me, it will happen to others.
During press conference:Contador said that other athletes have supported him (we know who some of these athletes are - http://especialfutbol.tv/videos-ext/3628890014-xabi-alonso-muestra-su-apoyo-contador )
But more imporantly, that in their support they say that it could have been them
" other athletes know that it could have been them. Its a injustice. It was me but it could have been anyone". Source - eurosport translation.
At this point Contador was very emotional. Stressed the word injustice. I think he feels an injustice. THere is an injustice. Not that hes getting punished for eating meat. Of course Contador knows that isnt an injustice. He knows how that clenbuterol got into his system - doping. But what is an injustice is that it really could have happened to anyone. Why are "clean" athletes supporting him
Imo the emotion displayed here is real. Or substituted anyway. The guys a cyclist not an actor and there are no special effects either. He substitutes the non existant injustice of getting punished for something he didnt do, for the real injustice of getting punished for something most people get away with.
Answer, i think is Omerta is sport wide. Jesus Manzano met footballers and tennis players at Fuentes clinic. Why wouldnt Contador have done the same. It could have happened to" anyone" because "everyone" is doping. Thats why they support him, and if the roles were reversed, he them
Or, you could understand it as a threat
"it could happen to anyone" meaning, if you **** with me, it will happen to others.
Dr. Maserati
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Sanitiser said:
There doesn't need to be - unless there is something new that has not been covered.
All posters have to do is a quick search because chances are it has been covered already.
mwbyrd said:
What a crock by the ESPN journalist. Take one look at doping in our US sports, absolutley unfair. Take tiger woods forinstance obviously an uber fueler. Never tested never sanctioned. Favre, Clements, Rose, Manny Rodriguez.
As an American she needs to look in her own backyard before she rubbishes other countries decisions.
Another attempt at rubbishing cycling, as if kimmage lemond landis walshe wern't already on the job....
Lets hope he gives Landis a call for the name of a good counsilor eh?
The truth will set him free.
Another Floyd style "bomb" might just finish of Pat Mc "its getting warm in here"!
The truth will set him free.
Another Floyd style "bomb" might just finish of Pat Mc "its getting warm in here"!
I think the period after his positive and how the results were leaked to the German press are telling.The Hitch said:"it could happen to anyone" meaning, if you **** with me, it will happen to others.
Omerta is definitely still going strong, although now with the added feature that in certain cases It's necessary to sacrifice a lamb. Orchestrated by UCI of course, which explains the amount of politics involved in this case.
I agree that the term injustice means something different for riders at this level. Don't know about the feelings. Recently andy Schleck revealed the hug scene was staged by Contador, why not this emotion? Sure some of it's real, and he's with out a doubt very stressed at the moment, but he's definitely aware that showing emotions like that, will benefit his credibility.
I agree that the term injustice means something different for riders at this level. Don't know about the feelings. Recently andy Schleck revealed the hug scene was staged by Contador, why not this emotion? Sure some of it's real, and he's with out a doubt very stressed at the moment, but he's definitely aware that showing emotions like that, will benefit his credibility.
The Hitch said:During press conference:Contador said that other athletes have supported him (we know who some of these athletes are - http://especialfutbol.tv/videos-ext/3628890014-xabi-alonso-muestra-su-apoyo-contador )
But more imporantly, that in their support they say that it could have been them
" other athletes know that it could have been them. Its a injustice. It was me but it could have been anyone". Source - eurosport translation.
At this point Contador was very emotional. Stressed the word injustice. I think he feels an injustice. THere is an injustice. Not that hes getting punished for eating meat. Of course Contador knows that isnt an injustice. He knows how that clenbuterol got into his system - doping. But what is an injustice is that it really could have happened to anyone. Why are "clean" athletes supporting him
Imo the emotion displayed here is real. Or substituted anyway. The guys a cyclist not an actor and there are no special effects either. He substitutes the non existant injustice of getting punished for something he didnt do, for the real injustice of getting punished for something most people get away with.
Answer, i think is Omerta is sport wide. Jesus Manzano met footballers and tennis players at Fuentes clinic. Why wouldnt Contador have done the same. It could have happened to" anyone" because "everyone" is doping. Thats why they support him, and if the roles were reversed, he them
Or, you could understand it as a threat
"it could happen to anyone" meaning, if you **** with me, it will happen to others.
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Bonnie D. Ford
What I find most interesting about this, is the tone of Bonnie's article. Her writing is always well researched and well presented, and she usually exhibits an elevated sense of objectivity and impartiality. But here, and in some other recent articles, she seems to be losing patience with the "system" and the status quo. She has always reported with an independent voice--which may be why Landis has revealed so much to her--but I can't help but notice a bit more contempt coming from her lately. I applaud it.
More and more, it would seem, the facade of those who control the sport is slowly crumbling. I applaud that too.
mwbyrd said:
What I find most interesting about this, is the tone of Bonnie's article. Her writing is always well researched and well presented, and she usually exhibits an elevated sense of objectivity and impartiality. But here, and in some other recent articles, she seems to be losing patience with the "system" and the status quo. She has always reported with an independent voice--which may be why Landis has revealed so much to her--but I can't help but notice a bit more contempt coming from her lately. I applaud it.
More and more, it would seem, the facade of those who control the sport is slowly crumbling. I applaud that too.
The Hitch said:
I fully understand him. It's a bit similar to Floyd's situation. He gets caught for something ridicolous. He is a doper, but so are all his major contenders. But he gets caught for something immaterial. However, it still shows that something is completely wrong in the mind of most pro cyclists. But at least now we know, that the word of Dopador isn't worth more than Pharmstrong's. All the same cheaters and liars.
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Nearly said:Yes, very good article although I am surprised she did not mention in suppport of her argument the very obvious analogous case of Fuyu Li http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=16821 where the rider's own federation handed out a 2 year penalty and there was very little handwringing on his behalf.
Of course the Spanish Fed may have been going to school on the outrageous 1 year penalty the Astana Fed dared lob Vino's way!
Bonnie should however have pointed out that the CAS tends to straighten the record when tainted decisions are made by national federations so that all is not lost (after all they do have their reputations to think about)
So, you think you're going to get the same punishment in real life regardless of how expensive your lawyers are and regardless of the country you live in? China even gives the death penalty for drug smuggle lol.
Contador threw more money at it, so he had a better defence then that chinese boy. Is it fair? No.
Is it normal? Yes.
And otherwise you're living in a dream world.
Nearly said:Yes, very good article although I am surprised she did not mention in suppport of her argument the very obvious analogous case of Fuyu Li http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=16821 where the rider's own federation handed out a 2 year penalty and there was very little handwringing on his behalf.
Of course the Spanish Fed may have been going to school on the outrageous 1 year penalty the Astana Fed dared lob Vino's way!
Bonnie should however have pointed out that the CAS tends to straighten the record when tainted decisions are made by national federations so that all is not lost (after all they do have their reputations to think about)
True, but first somebody has to appeal for that to happen.
Anyway, indeed a great opinion article by Bonnie. A similarly critical one was recently written in the German Süddeutsche Zeitung. The Spanish are making themselves look really bad (even though most here in the CLinic agree that the problem is not only within Spain).
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/55N38S/3862619/Fuenf-Tuermchen-statt-drei.html
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Given Floyd's precedence, has any reporter asked him directly if his feeling of injustice is because everyone dopes or that he was using other products and not clen? It seems a pretty far gone conclusion (as evidenced by this and other articles) that the presumption is that he's guilty so why handle him with kid gloves?
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Entertainment
AC claims 500 anti doping controls in his career to date
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-will-appeal-tour-de-france-doping-sanction
http://www.rtve.es/deportes/20110128/contador-voy-recurrir-hasta-donde-sea-necesario/399055.shtml
Hang on, how many years has Berto been a pro? How many times does Berto race in a season? 500 controls to date - do the math!
Somewhere buried in the Clinic, a poster claimed each control cost about $300 - so about $150,000 of controls on Berto to date? Has cycling the dollars of F1?
Recognizing that I am innocent, they still give me a one year ban, Is Berto paying Fabiani for this BS spin?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...France-champion-vows-to-fight-doping-ban.html
lots of cheers from the above entertainment
AC claims 500 anti doping controls in his career to date
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-will-appeal-tour-de-france-doping-sanction
http://www.rtve.es/deportes/20110128/contador-voy-recurrir-hasta-donde-sea-necesario/399055.shtml
Hang on, how many years has Berto been a pro? How many times does Berto race in a season? 500 controls to date - do the math!
Somewhere buried in the Clinic, a poster claimed each control cost about $300 - so about $150,000 of controls on Berto to date? Has cycling the dollars of F1?
Recognizing that I am innocent, they still give me a one year ban, Is Berto paying Fabiani for this BS spin?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...France-champion-vows-to-fight-doping-ban.html
lots of cheers from the above entertainment
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hrotha said:
Like Floyd, Contador has few friends, even ex teamates. I don't think he is a bad guy but he is terrible in the art of cycling politics, which is important as skill on the bike. He may be a genetic freak or an uber doper but I see Contador as an awesome athlete the best. But truly as much as I try to like him or make him a patron I am unable....
funny stuff from eurosport.com:
the chances of Contador lining up for Saxo Bank in Noirmoutier on 2nd July this summer are as slim as Andy Schleck's biceps.
WEIGHTY QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK
- Just what are going to become of Contador's Saxo Bank team-mates Daniel Navarro, Jesús Hernández and Benjamin Noval, who joined the Spaniard from Astana in the summer? Rumours abound that Navarro has a job in a circus lined up, but the prospects of the other two are less certain.
- How long until Simon Cowell approaches Contador, Alessandro Colo and Li Fuyu and asks them to form a boy band called Tainted Meat?
- Supposing Saddles was a pro sportsman from the Basque town of Irun (a big ask), would it be safe for him to buy his meat from the local butcher or should he stick to vegetables and energy gels?
- For Andy Schleck, is Floyd Landis still the winner of the 2006 Tour?
Why could it be that Schleck still believes Contador to be the winner of last year's Tour when you never would have caught Carl Lewis muttering "For me Ben Johnson is still the winner of the 1988 Olympic 100m"?
- How long will it be before Denis Menchov asks Geox to let him join Saxo Bank (provided he hasn't already)?
- How will Schleck cope in the 2011 Tour without his pace-setter? What will be the psychological impact on him to lose his best friend and inseparable riding partner? Will team Luxembourg Leopard employ Contador as a mascot until his ban ends?
- Will Lance Armstrong come out of second retirement now his big rival is out of the picture?
- Will Contador follow Oscar Pereiro's lead and become a professional footballer at third-tier Spanish club Coruxo FC?
- If Alberto gets one year, how many does the butcher get? And the cows?
- Would it be right to presume that he who drinks water from a wine glass sees himself as a rather Godly being?
- How much did the Vuelta organisers pay the Spanish Cycling Federation?
- If Glen Hoddle was there, would he say that Bjarne Riis is belatedly paying for his own previous misdemeanours?
- Does the 5 star Sonnet Grad Hotel Mallorca have steak on the menu?
- What film was Alberto watching in the cinema when the dope control people came a knocking? If it was the fourth episode in the Indiana Jones saga, they clearly did him a favour...
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog/blazin-saddles/article/1465/
the chances of Contador lining up for Saxo Bank in Noirmoutier on 2nd July this summer are as slim as Andy Schleck's biceps.
WEIGHTY QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK
- Just what are going to become of Contador's Saxo Bank team-mates Daniel Navarro, Jesús Hernández and Benjamin Noval, who joined the Spaniard from Astana in the summer? Rumours abound that Navarro has a job in a circus lined up, but the prospects of the other two are less certain.
- How long until Simon Cowell approaches Contador, Alessandro Colo and Li Fuyu and asks them to form a boy band called Tainted Meat?
- Supposing Saddles was a pro sportsman from the Basque town of Irun (a big ask), would it be safe for him to buy his meat from the local butcher or should he stick to vegetables and energy gels?
- For Andy Schleck, is Floyd Landis still the winner of the 2006 Tour?
Why could it be that Schleck still believes Contador to be the winner of last year's Tour when you never would have caught Carl Lewis muttering "For me Ben Johnson is still the winner of the 1988 Olympic 100m"?
- How long will it be before Denis Menchov asks Geox to let him join Saxo Bank (provided he hasn't already)?
- How will Schleck cope in the 2011 Tour without his pace-setter? What will be the psychological impact on him to lose his best friend and inseparable riding partner? Will team Luxembourg Leopard employ Contador as a mascot until his ban ends?
- Will Lance Armstrong come out of second retirement now his big rival is out of the picture?
- Will Contador follow Oscar Pereiro's lead and become a professional footballer at third-tier Spanish club Coruxo FC?
- If Alberto gets one year, how many does the butcher get? And the cows?
- Would it be right to presume that he who drinks water from a wine glass sees himself as a rather Godly being?
- How much did the Vuelta organisers pay the Spanish Cycling Federation?
- If Glen Hoddle was there, would he say that Bjarne Riis is belatedly paying for his own previous misdemeanours?
- Does the 5 star Sonnet Grad Hotel Mallorca have steak on the menu?
- What film was Alberto watching in the cinema when the dope control people came a knocking? If it was the fourth episode in the Indiana Jones saga, they clearly did him a favour...
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog/blazin-saddles/article/1465/
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flicker said:
Of course your's is an unbiased and authoritative opinion on any and all that is not Armstrong related.
Although I'm inclined to agree that he hasn't mastered the art of media manipulation and politics like his ex-BFF
Schlecklet has. Schlecklet seems to have the media in his thrall. It is comforting to me that I can come on this forum and find people that aren't completely taken in by this character.
How come Cadel hasn't said anything? He lost to Contador by 23 seconds in 2007. You'd think he'd be ****ed.
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