Olympics 2020 (2021): Harder to dope in Japan?

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surprised elaine thompson has not been mentioned here..winning 100/200m at back
to back olympics really is exceptional

i picture her 2 teamates glum faced after she won 100m....a look of disbelief that reminded me
of jumbo visma guys at last years tdf

sure thompson is a talent but apart from olympics she's a lot quieter than SAFP...yes there has been injuries but surely these would make bouncing back harder?

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How this compares to Warholm winning?
I am sure most of them dope but Thompson winning 100 meters surely looks more believable than Warholm winning.
Wardholm winning must have turned on all alarms. IMHO!
 
How this compares to Warholm winning?
I am sure most of them dope but Thompson winning 100 meters surely looks more believable than Warholm winning.
Wardholm winning must have turned on all alarms. IMHO!
Warhol’s winning was not at all a surprise—he was the co-favorite and WR holder. It was the stunning amount of time he lopped off the old record that raised alarms. Though it appears it’s a really fast track surface helping produce WR or near WR (I.e., close to FloJo) times.
 
hm, well its pa personal guess; who do you think spends more on propaganda
Well, mine would also be a guess, as I don't think these are figures that are public! ;) I would expect when it comes to international propaganda apparatus, from a government source, China would be ahead. Not sure about other countries. Russia perhaps as well, considering so much is state-owned or at least state run. Also, not sure what the differences would even be between gross spending, and per capita spending. The latter might reveal even more significant surprises, who knows!

And just so I am 100% clear, I certainly do not think the US is Snow White or even close. Just want to keep the perspective balanced. While the specifics of what drives doping might appear different from country to country, there does seem to be one consistent characteristic, and that is power.
 
I think the studies that have been done about the impact of endogenous high T haven't really supported the IAAF ruling AFAIK. Little doubt adding T helps, but more doubt if high natural levels really helps (considering there are olympic male athletes under the barrier athletics have put in place).
This is an interesting topic. I would be curious to see their methodology on this. On the surface, it definitely rings alarm bells when 2 Namibian teens are running in the Olympic final at 200m and setting other Continental records in other distances. It is hard for me to reach the conclusion that the extra Testosterone is not contributing majorly to that. Of course, is that genetic advantage any different than being born with the physique of Athing Mu or Allyson Felix?
 
Another surprise Gold for the Italian track and field team. Stano wins the 20km walking at the age of 29, his only medal at a big event was a silver medal at the u23 wc years ago.
Looks like the Italians came with a good prep, are they working once again with the university of Ferrara like in the golden era of italian sports?
 
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The study was published by the IAAF in the British Journal of Sports Medicine which identified specific events in which high testosterone levels could benefit athletes - https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/17/1309

Conclusion Female athletes with high fT levels have a significant competitive advantage over those with low fT in 400 m, 400 m hurdles, 800 m, hammer throw, and pole vault.
Cherry-picked disciplines?

The validity of the study is disputed:

“It’s deeply flawed,” says Roger Pielke Jr, a sports governance and policy researcher at the University of Colorado Boulder, who has called for the study to be retracted. “As many as one-third of the data were bad,” Pielke says. For example, some performance times were duplicated, other times did not exist in the official competition results, and athletes disqualified for doping were included in the study data set.
- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00819-0


So internet trolls don’t count obviously. Russia are notorious and this was very evident when the Malaysian airliner was shot down over Ukraine.
 
Whereas you have provided all the possible evidence to support it.
 
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The study was published by the IAAF in the British Journal of Sports Medicine which identified specific events in which high testosterone levels could benefit athletes - https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/17/1309

Conclusion Female athletes with high fT levels have a significant competitive advantage over those with low fT in 400 m, 400 m hurdles, 800 m, hammer throw, and pole vault.
Cherry-picked disciplines?

The validity of the study is disputed:

- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00819-0
I was watching the women’s pole vault final now. The British looks like a bodybuilder compared to the American and Russian girls. But this discipline is more about technique and psychology. Of course, bodybuilding looks won a bronze medal for the British, which is not good.
 
I was watching the women’s pole vault final now. The British looks like a bodybuilder compared to the American and Russian girls. But this discipline is more about technique and psychology. Of course, bodybuilding looks won a bronze medal for the British, which is not good.
She really doesn't. She is 5ft 9 and 10st 6, and not particularly muscled.
 
I was watching the women’s pole vault final now. The British looks like a bodybuilder compared to the American and Russian girls. But this discipline is more about technique and psychology. Of course, bodybuilding looks won a bronze medal for the British, which is not good.
“discipline is more about technique and psychology.”

Speed + upper body strength + technique. The psychology part can apply to any event.

I think people underestimate the need for sprint speed on the runway. Vaulters not only have to get high enough to clear the bar but deep enough into the pit to sail over the bar and not come down on top of it.
(Or fall backwards).
 
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Supposedly a range of body types can be suited to modern pole vault, from big and strong athletes using larger poles to smaller athletes using more flexible poles. Look at the last three male gold medalists for a good example of this.
I wonder how high her natural testosterone levels are. According to an IAAF study, female athletes with high fT levels have a significant competitive advantage in pole vault. But strangely, the pole vault was excluded from the regulations. Maybe because poor African countries are not good in this discipline.

Knowing how shady that IAAF president Coe is. The guy was on Nike’s payroll for decades while holding high-ranking positions at the IAAF and during this time nothing disturbed the Nike/Salazar doping program.

British government funded Coe’s IAAF presidential campaign and instructed British ambassadors to lobby for Coe to ensure ‘British interests are protected’.





Clearly, the cheating did not end with Mo Farah and Paula Radcliffe.

“discipline is more about technique and psychology.”
Speed + upper body strength + technique. The psychology part can apply to any event.
I think people underestimate the need for sprint speed on the runway. Vaulters not only have to get high enough to clear the bar but deep enough into the pit to sail over the bar and not come down on top of it.
(Or fall backwards).
Of course, physical physical attributes are important but technique is the most important element. I’m 100% sure the pole vault is the psychologically most demanding discipline. Everyone has some fear at these heights.
 
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Soon 36-year-old Felix won a bronze medal at 400 meters. Totally freak show..

Kenya won the 1,500 meters with visible postpartum stretch marks?? British 2nd :tearsofjoy:
 
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Soon 36-year-old Felix won a bronze medal at 400 meters. Totally freak show..
I am not going to make the argument that she is clean, but 400m is sport where strength is just as important as speed. We saw in the trials that she is lacking in the latter as she got blown out in the 200m. Since she has made the transition to the 400m, these are her big meet times.

2011 WC. 49.59
2015 WC. 49.26
2016 Olympics. 49.51
2017 WC. 50.08
2021 Olympics 49.46
 
I am not going to make the argument that she is clean, but 400m is sport where strength is just as important as speed. We saw in the trials that she is lacking in the latter as she got blown out in the 200m. Since she has made the transition to the 400m, these are her big meet times.

2011 WC. 49.59
2015 WC. 49.26
2016 Olympics. 49.51
2017 WC. 50.08
2021 Olympics 49.46
I mean wasn't Gatlin still competitive at 37?
 

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