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Omega Pharma v Lotto

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Most wins 2012

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After Omega Pharma deserted Lotto and went to quickstep which of the former bed partners will do the best this season..

Im going to go with Lotto, although I think Omega Pharma may have a couple of higher quality wins. Lotto will own Omega Pharma on the rankings though.
 
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In terms of wins, Lotto will probably be more dedicated to the sprints and will win a higher quantity of races. That said I don't see VDB, Vanendert or Greipel winning anything big (other than GT stages - I mean no classics/monuments). Omega are much more likely to score a monument win but may win less crappy races :p
 
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It's a pretty difficult question 'cause besides Greipel Lotto doesn't have guys that are reasonably expected to obtain many wins, but if Greipel repeats his 2010 season (21 win) it may be enough to beat whole the QS.

QS have T.Martin as the one who should have wins in TTs and T.Boonen (maybe) and comparing Lotto without Greipel and QS without T.Martin and Boonen i would say Quick Step.

So, in fact, i dunno :eek:
 
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Kvinto said:
It's a pretty difficult question 'cause besides Greipel Lotto doesn't have guys that are reasonably expected to obtain many wins, but if Greipel repeats his 2010 season (21 win) it may be enough to beat whole the QS.

QS have T.Martin as the one who should have wins in TTs and T.Boonen (maybe) and comparing Lotto without Greipel and QS without T.Martin and Boonen i would say Quick Step.

So, in fact, i dunno :eek:
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Ya, both have der Ganz Klasse guys. Even though Andre started things off well at the TDU, OPQS has a few more horses in the barn like Sylvain. It's those other guys that tips it to OPQS for me. And they have a cool team website http://www.omegapharma-quickstep.com/en/team.
 
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I have more faith for Vanendert in the classics than for Tom Boonen to be honest. Tom Boonen is just like Kim Clijsters... Injury after injury after injury. With Clijsters, my biggest fear is not if she will lose a match in the Australian Open, but that she will be forced to leave because of an injury.

And that said, Vanendert is also injury prone, but at least he had an injury free season last year.

I'm also curious to see what Dennis Vanendert can do and Mahdi Sohrabi.
 
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I have more faith for Vanendert in the classics than for Tom Boonen to be honest.
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It will be interesting to see what Vandendert can do riding for himself in the Ardennes (I presume he will be leader/co-leader this season) but I still fancy Boonen to win/podium a classic over him. Omega quick have a great team for the cobbles this year too.
 
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El Pistolero said:
I have more faith for Vanendert in the classics than for Tom Boonen
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We are talking about the quantity, and it says even in his injury affected year Tom Boonen had 2 wins while 'fit' Jelle Vanendert has only one. Now, without Gilbert, Jelle can improve in terms of quality but if the issue is amount of wins Boonen has more opportunities
 
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Kvinto said:
We are talking about the quantity, and it says even in his injury affected year Tom Boonen had 2 wins while 'fit' Jelle Vanendert has only one. Now, without Gilbert, Jelle can improve in terms of quality but if the issue is amount of wins Boonen has more opportunities
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Yes true but without gilbert, jelle can also improve in quantity as well as he could have possibly won a lot of races last year if not for supporting gilbert+ other guys in the team can also take more wins due to gilbert not being there (yet so can omega thats why i voted for them)
though I believe greipel will certainly get more victories than he did last year more so than boonen and steegmans etc

theyoungest said:
I don't see how Lotto will own Omega Pharma on the rankings? It's last year's Lotto without Gilbert, look at how many WT points they had without Gilbert.
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Yes but as the above post states without gilbert there are a lot more oppurtunities for guys like vanendert who can get more points than they got last year (yet i still think they don't have a strong enough team)
 
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Kvinto said:
We are talking about the quantity, and it says even in his injury affected year Tom Boonen had 2 wins while 'fit' Jelle Vanendert has only one. Now, without Gilbert, Jelle can improve in terms of quality but if the issue is amount of wins Boonen has more opportunities
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The OP brought quality into the discussion as well.
 
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theyoungest said:
I don't see how Lotto will own Omega Pharma on the rankings? It's last year's Lotto without Gilbert, look at how many WT points they had without Gilbert.
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This might sound strange to you, but in some teams people work for their leader and once the leader leaves they're free to ride for them self(the better ones at least).

The races where OPQS will do well in don't always earn you points in the rankings despite being a high quality victory(WC and OC TT for example)
 
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Froome19 said:
Yes true but without gilbert, jelle can also improve in quantity as well as he could have possibly won a lot of races last year if not for supporting gilbert+ other guys in the team can also take more wins due to gilbert not being there (yet so can omega thats why i voted for them)
though I believe greipel will certainly get more victories than he did last year more so than boonen and steegmans etc
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Of course improvement in quality leads (or rather may lead) to increasing of quantity but it's hard to obtain wins if you are not good in sprints (not necessary ‘bunch’ ones). Theoretically Jelle can reach a top-10 in any of Ardennes Classics, but a win would be a huge surprise. It's a matter of competition and it is pretty high, you may have even 1000+ points in CQ rankings but still not that many wins. So it’s easier for Boonen, if he feels like sprinting this year.

El Pistolero said:
The OP brought quality into the discussion as well.
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Well, the question stands 'most wins 2012'. As for quality i think QS has more force...
 
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Kvinto said:
Of course improvement in quality leads (or rather may lead) to increasing of quantity but it's hard to obtain wins if you are not good in sprints (not necessary ‘bunch’ ones). Theoretically Jelle can reach a top-10 in any of Ardennes Classics, but a win would be a huge surprise. It's a matter of competition and it is pretty high, you may have even 1000+ points in CQ rankings but still not that many wins. So it’s easier for Boonen, if he feels like sprinting this year.



Well, the question stands 'most wins 2012'. As for quality i think QS has more force...
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True, but was merely talking about classics only. I don't have much faith anymore in Boonen and he's the only one that can win classics from that team. Well, and Chavanel.
 
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Kvinto said:
Of course improvement in quality leads (or rather may lead) to increasing of quantity but it's hard to obtain wins if you are not good in sprints (not necessary ‘bunch’ ones). Theoretically Jelle can reach a top-10 in any of Ardennes Classics, but a win would be a huge surprise. It's a matter of competition and it is pretty high, you may have even 1000+ points in CQ rankings but still not that many wins. So it’s easier for Boonen, if he feels like sprinting this year.
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vanendert already has come top ten in ardennes classics and i believe can go further this year and start winning (not necessarily in ardennes due to gilbert though) though admittedly boonen has more races he can win in though i believe that is countered by greipel also winning more races
 
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El Pistolero said:
True, but was merely talking about classics only. I don't have much faith anymore in Boonen and he's the only one that can win classics from that team. Well, and Chavanel.
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if only the classics is what you mean it eventually boils down to Boonen + Chavanel vs. Roelands + Vanendert, hmm, i think it's pretty equal
 
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Kvinto said:
if Boonen won't find his 2010 form, then, yes, equal
otherwise QS wins by far (or just wins)
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Even with his 2011 form and bad luck, Boonen won Gent-Wevelgem. Didn't see Roelandts do anything of the sort.

QST just have a far better cobbled classics squad. In the Ardennes it's different, but Lotto will hardly dominate there.
 
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