Paris Nice route leaked

[MatParker117]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/paris-nice-2015-route-leaked-155093

Summit finish on the Croix de Chaubouret and two TT's including Col d'Eze gotta back someone like Porte, Talansky, Aru or Majka to win it if this is the route.

 

[BigMac]

Alberto Rui da Costa.

 

[Amsterdam]

Van Garderen ftw. Bardet podium

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Also kelderman has a good chance, with the prologue, an the croix the chabouret, that suit him well.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

They had better not be doing the whole "last climb 60km from the line" stage into Nice before the Col d'?ze TT again like they did in 2012 and 13. That was ugly as sin and hurt the race badly, because nobody was even remotely interested in making any moves with the MTT the next day. If they're doing something like the old Nice-Nice stages with La Turbie and ?ze and the descent finish it should be good but still will be a bit more conservatively raced than it used to be due to the TT following.

If they ARE doing a big-long-descent-and-flat-into-Nice like the de Gendt stage from a few years ago, then the first half of the race is going to be WAAAAAAY better than the second.

 

[roundabout]

unless I got my geography very wrong, literally nothing is going to happen in the first part of the race until the last 10km of stage 4.

or is this the joke?

 

[pastronef]

They had better not be doing the whole "last climb 60km from the line" stage into Nice before the Col d'?ze TT again like they did in 2012 and 13. That was ugly as sin and hurt the race badly, because nobody was even remotely interested in making any moves with the MTT the next day. If they're doing something like the old Nice-Nice stages with La Turbie and ?ze and the descent finish it should be good but still will be a bit more conservatively raced than it used to be due to the TT following.

If they ARE doing a big-long-descent-and-flat-into-Nice like the de Gendt stage from a few years ago, then the first half of the race is going to be WAAAAAAY better than the second.

mmm, when I saw VENCE-NICE I fear that we get some cols in the beginning (col de Vence, col de la Porte) and Turbie or Col de Nice before the finish

 

[Flamin]

Meh, I liked last year's concept, but the field was probably too weak to hold onto it.

 

[burning]

unless I got my geography very wrong, literally nothing is going to happen in the first part of the race until the last 10km of stage 4.

or is this the joke?

Echelons maybe? Actually, I don't have any hope at all.

I definitely liked the last year's concept instead of MTT and MTF bullsh*t, I guess they had to abandon it for economic reasons.

 

[maxmartin]

Will Nibali be in this race?

 

[Gloin22]

Will Nibali be in this race?

Nah, TA.

Talansky, Peraud, Kwiatek, Rolland, Kelderman, Van Garderen, Costa, Bardet should be the contenders.

 

[pastronef]

Nah, TA.

Talansky, Peraud, Kwiatek, Rolland, Kelderman, Van Garderen, Costa, Bardet should be the contenders.

and Porte.

if not Porte, anyone but Kwiato or Costa is ok for me

 

[Bavarianrider]

More TT km than the Tour

According to cyclismag Ullrich holds the Record on the Chabouret for the highest wattage ever recorded. He did 484Watts for a normalized 70kg rider for more than half an our.

For comparisons.
Alpe d'Huez 1995, Pantani 460 w
Alpe d'Huez 2001, Armstrong 442 w
La Plagne 1995, Indurain 448 w

 

[Lupetto]

More TT km than the Tour

According to cyclismag Ullrich holds the Record on the Chabouret for the highest wattage ever recorded. He did 484Watts for a normalized 70kg rider for more than half an our.

Ullrich did more than half an hour in 29 minutes? He must be the first time traveller.e

I believe that Ullrichs best performance was Arcalis with still 470 Watts after over 7 hours of racing.

 

[Dr. Juice]

Ullrich did more than half an hour in 29 minutes? He must be the first time traveller.e

I believe that Ullrichs best performance was Arcalis with still 470 Watts after over 7 hours of racing.

True, he was in Indurain-La Plagne mode that day. Brutal performance.
Thought I'd always calculate W/kg which is more accurate. Best ever performance for me is Pantani's 7 W/kg on P.d. Montecampione 1998 for almost 50 minutes. That would be 490 W for a rider with a weight of 70 kg.

 

[elfed68]

Wiggins in the rainbow stripes?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Ullrich did more than half an hour in 29 minutes? He must be the first time traveller.e

I believe that Ullrichs best performance was Arcalis with still 470 Watts after over 7 hours of racing.

Do you have excact data for Ullrich on the Chabouret?

 

[Bavarianrider]

The route looks pretty good so far, although we don't know the exact profiles, of course.

Prolog should be 2km longer, besides that it looks like a balanced an fair route that offers options for different kind of riders.

 

[Bavarianrider]

True, he was in Indurain-La Plagne mode that day. Brutal performance.
Thought I'd always calculate W/kg which is more accurate. Best ever performance for me is Pantani's 7 W/kg on P.d. Montecampione 1998 for almost 50 minutes. That would be 490 W for a rider with a weight of 70 kg.

Holy toledo, just looked it up, indeed a sureal performance.
Tonkov also with agreat day.

Marco Pantani: 7hr 42min 52sec
Pavel Tonkov @ 57sec
Giuseppe Guerini @ 3min 16sec
Francesco Secchiari @ 4min 4sec
Daniel Clavero s.t.
Daniele De Paoli @ 4min 16sec
Oskar Camenzind @ 5min 43sec
Nicola Miceli @ 5min 44sec
Jos? Jaime Gonzalez @ 5min 46sec
Paolo Bettini @ 5min 48sec

 

[Dr. Juice]

Holy toledo, just looked it up, indeed a sureal performance.
Tonkov also with agreat day.

Marco Pantani: 7hr 42min 52sec
Pavel Tonkov @ 57sec
Giuseppe Guerini @ 3min 16sec
Francesco Secchiari @ 4min 4sec
Daniel Clavero s.t.
Daniele De Paoli @ 4min 16sec
Oskar Camenzind @ 5min 43sec
Nicola Miceli @ 5min 44sec
Jos? Jaime Gonzalez @ 5min 46sec
Paolo Bettini @ 5min 48sec

Absolutely. That day Tonkov had the devil inside him, 6.53 W/kg. It happens often that great riders/climbers who are at their best don't attack the climb full out because they don't need to or other reasons. It was one of the few times that Pantani went full ballistic from basically the foot of the final climb during his peak years. That's why I'd so much liked him to have done Alpe d'Huez in 98,99 or 2001 if Campiglio didn't happen.

Concerning Ullrich, can someone calculate his W/kg on Arcalis? Indurain did about 6.5-6.6 W/kg in La Plagne when he left Pantani in the dust. Arcalis ain't long so I suspect Ullrich might have done a very very high wattage, higher than on other climbs.

Regarding Paris- Nice:

Croix de Chaubouret from the side posted above? It's the hardest side, last 9-10 at around 7 %. The other sides are too soft IMO.
Are there some proper mountain stages this year?
On the way to Nice they could do Col de Turini (15 km 7.3 %), descent, Col de Castillon (6.7 km 5,4%) descent and Col de la Madone (well know training climb of Armstrong/Rominger - 13.6 km 6.7 % and very irregular). Summit of Madone 27-28 km from the finish then long descent into nice (3-4%). Would be a nice stage without MTF but with ASO doing the route I have little hope.

 

[pastronef]

Absolutely. That day Tonkov had the devil inside him, 6.53 W/kg. It happens often that great riders/climbers who are at their best don't attack the climb full out because they don't need to or other reasons. It was one of the few times that Pantani went full ballistic from basically the foot of the final climb during his peak years. That's why I'd so much liked him to have done Alpe d'Huez in 98,99 or 2001 if Campiglio didn't happen.

Concerning Ullrich, can someone calculate his W/kg on Arcalis? Indurain did about 6.5-6.6 W/kg in La Plagne when he left Pantani in the dust. Arcalis ain't long so I suspect Ullrich might have done a very very high wattage, higher than on other climbs.

Regarding Paris- Nice:

Croix de Chaubouret from the side posted above? It's the hardest side, last 9-10 at around 7 %. The other sides are too soft IMO.
Are there some proper mountain stages this year?
On the way to Nice they could do Col de Turini (15 km 7.3 %), descent, Col de Castillon (6.7 km 5,4%) descent and Col de la Madone (well know training climb of Armstrong/Rominger - 13.6 km 6.7 % and very irregular). Summit of Madone 27-28 km from the finish then long descent into nice (3-4%). Would be a nice stage without MTF but with ASO doing the route I have little hope.

Turini is 1600 meters high, maybe a bit high for beginning of March. the Castillon and Madone have little tunnels and not very good road surface.
Aso will go the easy way with col de Vence and some other little ones, La Turbie or Peille

 

[Coat-O]

Nah, TA.

Talansky, Peraud, Kwiatek, Rolland, Kelderman, Van Garderen, Costa, Bardet should be the contenders.

I think Kwai lose a lot of time on Chabouret. I can not see him sitting among the best on a long, demanding long mountain stage.

Porte (if he participates), Tejay, Bardet, Peraud, Rolland, Talansky, Majka, Aru and Kelderman should be in top 10. Navarro and Ten Dam to fight about the last spot. It's almost a mini-TDF this time.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Absolutely. That day Tonkov had the devil inside him, 6.53 W/kg. It happens often that great riders/climbers who are at their best don't attack the climb full out because they don't need to or other reasons. It was one of the few times that Pantani went full ballistic from basically the foot of the final climb during his peak years. That's why I'd so much liked him to have done Alpe d'Huez in 98,99 or 2001 if Campiglio didn't happen.

Concerning Ullrich, can someone calculate his W/kg on Arcalis? Indurain did about 6.5-6.6 W/kg in La Plagne when he left Pantani in the dust. Arcalis ain't long so I suspect Ullrich might have done a very very high wattage, higher than on other climbs.

Regarding Paris- Nice:

Croix de Chaubouret from the side posted above? It's the hardest side, last 9-10 at around 7 %. The other sides are too soft IMO.
Are there some proper mountain stages this year?
On the way to Nice they could do Col de Turini (15 km 7.3 %), descent, Col de Castillon (6.7 km 5,4%) descent and Col de la Madone (well know training climb of Armstrong/Rominger - 13.6 km 6.7 % and very irregular). Summit of Madone 27-28 km from the finish then long descent into nice (3-4%). Would be a nice stage without MTF but with ASO doing the route I have little hope.

Vayer has him at 474 Watt for 70 Kilo standardization or 495 Watts for Ullrichs actual weight, which equals 6,8Watt/Kilo. The stage was over 250km.

 

[roundabout]

I think Kwai lose a lot of time on Chabouret. I can not see him sitting among the best on a long, demanding long mountain stage.

Porte (if he participates), Tejay, Bardet, Peraud, Rolland, Talansky, Majka, Aru and Kelderman should be in top 10. Navarro and Ten Dam to fight about the last spot. It's almost a mini-TDF this time.

It's probably going to be a stage of around 210km at most and nothing particularly difficult before the last 10km.

 

[Netserk]

It's probably going to be a stage of around 210km at most and nothing particularly difficult before the last 10km.

From Velowire: http://www.agglo-st-etienne.fr/file...mag/Actualites/Parcours_73emeParis-NiceOK.pdf

EDIT: rough profile: