Pauline Ferrand-Prévot is a French Superstar

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The Tour De France Winner definitely deserves a thread!
Not to mention that she also won Paris-Roubaix earlier this year.
And has won approximately a million other races - across multiple disciplines - including (but not limited to) several World Championships, and Olympic gold.

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The Tour De France Winner definitely deserves a thread!
Not to mention that she also won Paris-Roubaix earlier this year.
And has won approximately a million other races - across multiple disciplines - including (but not limited to) several World Championships, and Olympic gold.

Edit: I see there was a brief thread, way back in 2016:


Guess it's up to @Armchair Cyclist whether he wants to merge the thread, or just let this one be the thread.
Well, I don‘t think this should be merged with a clinic thread.
 
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Hard to get a Professional road racing thread without racing on the road.
But she was quite a big deal before she left us. I still haven't quite forgiven her for beating Emma & Lizzie to become world champion in 2014.

Nevertheless, her return just goes to show how much womens cycling has improved since then, There is now fame & a (small) fortune to be made.
 
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But she was quite a big deal before she left us. I still haven't quite forgiven her for beating Emma & Lizzie to become world champion in 2014.

Nevertheless, her return just goes to show how much womens cycling has improved since then, There is now fame & a (small) fortune to be made.

There weren't many threads for female riders at the time. Let's not forget that Vos didn't really have one either.
 
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But she was quite a big deal before she left us. I still haven't quite forgiven her for beating Emma & Lizzie to become world champion in 2014.

Nevertheless, her return just goes to show how much womens cycling has improved since then, There is now fame & a (small) fortune to be made.
At least that race gave Lizzie a chance to show the world why Jonathan Vaughters was right when he called her a horrible human being.
 
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Wild season, Paris-Roubaix and Tour de France wins in the same year, that is almost unheard of, extremely versatile rider.
And what a comeback, she only really had one outstanding season (2014) before leaving road racing the first time, but this one is already much better. I would have expected Van der Breggen to be the one making an outstanding comeback, but it was Ferrand-Prevot instead.
 
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So some of her adversaries just can't accept that she beat them, fairly and completely.
This quote really says it all in the most enviously incriminating manner:
“Ferrand-Prévot has set a new standard. When riders are so successful with this, it puts pressure on all of us,” Swiss cyclist Marlen Reusser tells Tages-Anzeiger.
There isn't a competitor in either mens or womens pelotons that don't manage their weight during the season. You can't race stage events without some loss and the successful time their optimal power/weight for those stages that mean the most. Looking at JFP on the bike and standing off it she has the lower body of many of the men, let alone the women.

Like most of the men; she probably doesn't even carry something heavy with her upper body for a month prior to a big race to minimize that mass. It's a long-standing joke among racers and almost every pro I ever knew did the same thing and then went back to strength training when doing end season recovery.

It'd be a good bet that Reusser and that other contender, the one that finished 2nd do likewise. The passive-aggressive dialogue and to equivocate their perception of what won the race is fairly juvenile IMO. Maybe they can donate some time to help junior racers if they can work that in.
 
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So some of her adversaries just can't accept that she beat them, fairly and completely.
This quote really says it all in the most enviously incriminating manner:
“Ferrand-Prévot has set a new standard. When riders are so successful with this, it puts pressure on all of us,” Swiss cyclist Marlen Reusser tells Tages-Anzeiger.
There isn't a competitor in either mens or womens pelotons that don't manage their weight during the season. You can't race stage events without some loss and the successful time their optimal power/weight for those stages that mean the most. Looking at JFP on the bike and standing off it she has the lower body of many of the men, let alone the women.

Like most of the men; she probably doesn't even carry something heavy with her upper body for a month prior to a big race to minimize that mass. It's a long-standing joke among racers and almost every pro I ever knew did the same thing and then went back to strength training when doing end season recovery.

It'd be a good bet that Reusser and that other contender, the one that finished 2nd do likewise. The passive-aggressive dialogue and to equivocate their perception of what won the race is fairly juvenile IMO. Maybe they can donate some time to help junior racers if they can work that in.
I agree 100% with this. I'm not a woman, but I know plenty of them, and even married one, and this smacks of, as you say, pettiness and jealousy, and one (or several) women trying to bring down a successful woman.

Do weight issues exist in women's sport? Of course they do, and to a greater extent than men's, especially in running. Or just read Jessie Diggins's issues in XC skiing.

But at least PFP was frank about it, which to me indicated that she did it in an intentional, calculated way. I suspect she didn't just stop eating for a month. If she'd just said nothing this wouldn't have even been an issue at all.
 
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It'd be a good bet that Reusser and that other contender, the one that finished 2nd do likewise. The passive-aggressive dialogue and to equivocate their perception of what won the race is fairly juvenile IMO. Maybe they can donate some time to help junior racers if they can work that in.

You don't need to sensor. It's Vollering.
 
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Bear in mind, though, the women's péloton has not seen anything remotely like this kind of super-peaking in a long time, such that most active pros will not have come across it before. Coming out of an era where only the very best could afford to dedicate themselves full-time to the sport, a lot of the time making women's cycling financially viable as a career required you to be at the top for as much of the season as possible, so dropping weight for short but intense form peaks was kind of anathema. We haven't really seen anybody go for this kind of "drop in to season's goal at peak form then disappear or revert to the mean" strategy in quite a long time, and when we have it's typically been riders who spend most of their season in the North American scene and then jet into Europe for major season's goals, like Mara Abbott (who also had significant eating disorder issues that massively impacted her career), or the ITT mayflies who would often attract suspicion as well.

Add to that that we are just coming off an era where super-peaking was perceived negatively, as a sign of Clinic matters, due to a generation of GC riders trying to follow the Lance Armstrong strategy of racing sparingly to then be fresh at the Grand Tour, and the way the biopassport was framed to us when it was introduced, that it would put an end to such strategies. And for a while it seemed to - although it does appear to be coming back into vogue a bit. We're not used to women who are the pre-race promotional stars then not being prominent everywhere they go and it will be a bit jarring at first that we're going to have a lot of "...and PFP will be in attendance!" if she then largely performs more like Jebel Hafeet than Col de la Madeleine because she cannot hold that competition weight for long and so only pulls out the stops on rare occasions. And neither are the riders - they're used to regular form cycles, sure, but they're also used to knowing who is going to be there and who isn't when the climbs get serious, because they're the same people that are usually there, and if they're not usually there, they're definitely not usually putting three minutes into the people that are, so this has changed a lot of perceptions within the bunch. I feel this is behind some of the comments we've seen, but framing it within a discussion point around weight enables them to be a bit freer with their choice of words without veering into territory that gets too close to something the journalists can sell as hostility or, worse, accusation.

Certainly I think pettiness and jealousy is easy to attribute in Vollering's case here, but Reusser I'm less sure of, since circumstances meant that she was never relevant to the GC at the Tour, and when it comes to the Col de la Madeleine she doesn't have her own performance to compare to the way Demi does. Reusser may have come 2nd in the Giro and be upset about that, but PFP and her race weight would not have been a factor in that. On the other hand, Demi will have known where she was relative to her best and therefore where she would have come out relative to PFP.
 
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Bear in mind, though, the women's péloton has not seen anything remotely like this kind of super-peaking in a long time, such that most active pros will not have come across it before. Coming out of an era where only the very best could afford to dedicate themselves full-time to the sport, a lot of the time making women's cycling financially viable as a career required you to be at the top for as much of the season as possible, so dropping weight for short but intense form peaks was kind of anathema. We haven't really seen anybody go for this kind of "drop in to season's goal at peak form then disappear or revert to the mean" strategy in quite a long time, and when we have it's typically been riders who spend most of their season in the North American scene and then jet into Europe for major season's goals, like Mara Abbott (who also had significant eating disorder issues that massively impacted her career), or the ITT mayflies who would often attract suspicion as well.

Add to that that we are just coming off an era where super-peaking was perceived negatively, as a sign of Clinic matters, due to a generation of GC riders trying to follow the Lance Armstrong strategy of racing sparingly to then be fresh at the Grand Tour, and the way the biopassport was framed to us when it was introduced, that it would put an end to such strategies. And for a while it seemed to - although it does appear to be coming back into vogue a bit. We're not used to women who are the pre-race promotional stars then not being prominent everywhere they go and it will be a bit jarring at first that we're going to have a lot of "...and PFP will be in attendance!" if she then largely performs more like Jebel Hafeet than Col de la Madeleine because she cannot hold that competition weight for long and so only pulls out the stops on rare occasions. And neither are the riders - they're used to regular form cycles, sure, but they're also used to knowing who is going to be there and who isn't when the climbs get serious, because they're the same people that are usually there, and if they're not usually there, they're definitely not usually putting three minutes into the people that are, so this has changed a lot of perceptions within the bunch. I feel this is behind some of the comments we've seen, but framing it within a discussion point around weight enables them to be a bit freer with their choice of words without veering into territory that gets too close to something the journalists can sell as hostility or, worse, accusation.

Certainly I think pettiness and jealousy is easy to attribute in Vollering's case here, but Reusser I'm less sure of, since circumstances meant that she was never relevant to the GC at the Tour, and when it comes to the Col de la Madeleine she doesn't have her own performance to compare to the way Demi does. Reusser may have come 2nd in the Giro and be upset about that, but PFP and her race weight would not have been a factor in that. On the other hand, Demi will have known where she was relative to her best and therefore where she would have come out relative to PFP.

Think Reusser, like Longo Borghini and Rooijakers need to look at their underperformance at the TDF after backing up from the Giro, yet, Gigante for all her failings, showed the recovery and resistance to perform well in both races. Lets not gild the lily. The comments from Vollering and Reusser are simply sour grapes, nothing more and nothing less. The women's peleton continues to shoot themselves in the foot. I'll also add some of the women's races early in the season were putrid with riders showing little or no ambition.
 
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Think Reusser, like Longo Borghini and Rooijakers need to look at their underperformance at the TDF after backing up from the Giro, yet, Gigante for all her failings, showed the recovery and resistance to perform well in both races. Lets not gild the lily. The comments from Vollering and Reusser are simply sour grapes, nothing more and nothing less. The women's peleton continues to shoot themselves in the foot. I'll also add some of the women's races early in the season were putrid with riders showing little or no ambition.
Reusser DNFed stage 1 because she both crashed and was sick. I don't doubt that there is an element of sour grapes to it, but I'd argue less of one than in Demi's case.
 
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Think Reusser, like Longo Borghini and Rooijakers need to look at their underperformance at the TDF after backing up from the Giro, yet, Gigante for all her failings, showed the recovery and resistance to perform well in both races. Lets not gild the lily. The comments from Vollering and Reusser are simply sour grapes, nothing more and nothing less. The women's peleton continues to shoot themselves in the foot. I'll also add some of the women's races early in the season were putrid with riders showing little or no ambition.
I can't agree with you. But even if we say we agree: it completely distracts from the topic. It doesn't matter why one of the riders said something. The topic is too serious for that. And it's definitely an important issue. Weight often plays a role in sport. Unfortunately, it also often makes people ill. And what the Tour winner did is not healthy. This can have serious consequences, especially for women who are thinking about having children. That's why you shouldn't distract from the issue. The signal is: do the external like the Tour winner. It can bring success and it is “normal”. It is not. Especially as many people don't have the support or can't manage the diet temporarily.

Of course, this also happens in men's sport. Weight is also important for mountain bikers. A stage winner from the actual TDF is certainly also in the critical range. In general, however, other types of riders are currently in the lead among men and the issue is probably not quite as big.
 
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I can't agree with you. But even if we say we agree: it completely distracts from the topic. It doesn't matter why one of the riders said something. The topic is too serious for that. And it's definitely an important issue. Weight often plays a role in sport. Unfortunately, it also often makes people ill. And what the Tour winner did is not healthy. This can have serious consequences, especially for women who are thinking about having children. That's why you shouldn't distract from the issue. The signal is: do the external like the Tour winner. It can bring success and it is “normal”. It is not. Especially as many people don't have the support or can't manage the diet temporarily.

Of course, this also happens in men's sport. Weight is also important for mountain bikers. A stage winner from the actual TDF is certainly also in the critical range. In general, however, other types of riders are currently in the lead among men and the issue is probably not quite as big.

I disagree. I am certain that PFP lost weight under medical supervision in a controlled manner. So any other rider can do the same until they find their desired weight. I see nothing wrong with Vollering or Reusser's weight as it allows them to achieve high levels of performance. Grace Brown through the Cyclists alliance has put forward some significant proposals to better look after women's health BUT this is being publically in the hubris following the TDF. I'd argue that the issue of weight is greater in the men's peleton and they treat it more seriously than in the women's pelton, however, they don't air their dirty laundry in public. I am yet to see a male rider complain that Pogcar is too skinny!
 

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