Pellizotti

[The Plediadian]

I am wondering about the trend, that banned riders have, such as Contador, Vinokurov, Pellizotti, Ricco, of threatening to quit cycling if they are banned for doping offenses, and then returning to the sport, eager to participate, in top tier pro cycling events.

example:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/disappointed-pellizotti-says-hes-quitting-cycling

example:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pellizotti-eyes-return-to-cycling

My guess is that they feel their presence in the peloton is a divine blessing and cycling will dry up and die without their saintly presence.

It is irritating, because, firstly I don't like them for doping and being caught doping, then I feel good because they have made the choice to leave cycling, and then disappointingly they return.

 

[therealtimshady]

Often it's a knee jerk reaction to their sentence. In terms of pellizotti I feel he was slightly harshly dealt with ( others will disagree) and certainly the timing of it 2 or 3 days before giro 2010 when they had the "evidence" months in advance was also annoying. Hope to see pellizotti back on a world tour team to race the tour this year

 

[function]

If you had a job or activity that was all encompassing and you participated in for most of your youth and adult life with all your friends and colleagues for the vast majority of the calendar year, how would you;

1) React upon hearing of being banned from participation
2) React when your ban lifts

It would be very human and natural to react the way he is.

 

[The Plediadian]

Often it's a knee jerk reaction to their sentence. In terms of pellizotti I feel he was slightly harshly dealt with ( others will disagree) and certainly the timing of it 2 or 3 days before giro 2010 when they had the "evidence" months in advance was also annoying. Hope to see pellizotti back on a world tour team to race the tour this year

My guess is Pellizoti had been under suspicion for quite some time before the 2010 Giro.
Banning him before the Giro was giving him and cycling a message that the shenanigans need to stop. IMO. Similar to the Astana ban before the tour, and the bans of Basso, and Ullrich in 2006 before the tour.
There is no good time to serve a ban.

 

[lukinox]

If you had a job or activity that was all encompassing and you participated in for most of your youth and adult life with all your friends and colleagues for the vast majority of the calendar year, how would you;

1) React upon hearing of being banned from participation
2) React when your ban lifts

It would be very human and natural to react the way he is.

+1
But also Pelli (and all the others) obviously needs money and I guess cycling is the only thing he knows and loves

 

[therealtimshady]

My guess is Pellizoti had been under suspicion for quite some time before the 2010 Giro.
Banning him before the Giro was giving him and cycling a message that the shenanigans need to stop. IMO. Similar to the Astana ban before the tour, and the bans of Basso, and Ullrich in 2006 before the tour.
There is no good time to serve a ban.

I understand your point - what irritates me is the Uci do a lap of honour after banning pellizotti valverde etc but continually refuse even to acknowledge or look into any Armstrong allegations - double standards

 

[The Plediadian]

I understand your point - what irritates me is the Uci do a lap of honour after banning pellizotti valverde etc but continually refuse even to acknowledge or look into any Armstrong allegations - double standards

I got Pellizottis' message when he said he would quit, most definitely the UCI chooses two sets of rules, protection of marketed riders,( you name them,) and sacrificial lambs,( Pellizotti, Chicken). Valverde and Basso had blood bags identifiable by their DNA, thusly no way for them to get out of their bans no matter how great of athletes or popularity.

 

[therealtimshady]

I got Pellizottis' message when he said he would quit, most definitely the UCI chooses two sets of rules, protection of marketed riders,( you name them,) and sacrificial lambs,( Pellizotti, Chicken). Valverde and Basso had blood bags identifiable by their DNA, thusly no way for them to get out of their bans no matter how great of athletes or popularity.

You can't deny the valverde blood bags one but wasn't it amazing how dogged the Uci were at bringing him down yet won't investigate the 6 Armstrong epo samples as "it was in the past" is what I heard one spokesman say before - well wasn't valverdes and pellizotti's as well??

 

[The Plediadian]

You can't deny the valverde blood bags one but wasn't it amazing how dogged the Uci were at bringing him down yet won't investigate the 6 Armstrong epo samples as "it was in the past" is what I heard one spokesman say before - well wasn't valverdes and pellizotti's as well??

Got me, you would have to ask an attorney about that one. I think a ban was sought with Valverde, Basso and Ullrich as soon as the Fuentes investigation began rolling and results were verified. I think I read in the clinic that a blood sample was obtained by doping officials at a race Valverde was competing in after Puerto?
Vino and Hamilton are examples of indivdiuals that had transfusions from other individuals, they were caught outright.

As far as Lance goes, who knows, as many ways as he is suspicious, and investigated, he hasn't been prosecuted.
The 8 year prosecution timeline has come and gone.

 

[pmcg76]

Got me, you would have to ask an attorney about that one. I think a ban was sought with Valverde, Basso and Ullrich as soon as the Fuentes investigation began rolling and results were verified. I think I read in the clinic that a blood sample was obtained by doping officials at a race Valverde was competing in after Puerto?
Vino and Hamilton are examples of indivdiuals that had transfusions from other individuals, they were caught outright.

As far as Lance goes, who knows, as many ways as he is suspicious, and investigated, he hasn't been prosecuted.
The 8 year prosecution timeline has come and gone.

I think the point was why he wasnt prosecuted?

Having blood bags sitting in an office in Spain is not in itself proof of doping but obvioulsy a very clear intent to dope.

Having EPO in test samples in which the process of testing does not meet the criteria for a positive test is clearly not a positive test. But having EPO in samples at all is obvioulsy a lot more clear cut than an intention to dope with blood bags.

I think the general jist is why is there a difference in how certain athletes are dealt with.

 

[The Plediadian]

I think the point was why he wasnt prosecuted?

Having blood bags sitting in an office in Spain is not in itself proof of doping but obvioulsy a very clear intent to dope.

Having EPO in test samples in which the process of testing does not meet the criteria for a positive test is clearly not a positive test. But having EPO in samples at all is obvioulsy a lot more clear cut than an intention to dope with blood bags.

I think the general jist is why is there a difference in how certain athletes are dealt with.

Getting back to Pellizotti, without being a hater, I was happy a rider was banned because of the biological passport. I think Vaughters' started that up and it is an effective way to control doping. I know it can be beaten bt it is a great toll to protect the health of the riders, and make for fair play.

 

[GJB123]

Who is that in your avatar, Plediadian? Could that be one of cycling's quintessential teflon men? Could it be Klöden? If yes, why do you carry a man in your avatar, who has been linked to more doping scandals than I care to remember.

Now I like Klöden as a rider as he is a stylish rider and seems humble enough. But your apparent outrage at Pelizotti and others who were unlucky enough not only to get "caught" but also to be prosecuted, is in irritating contrast with your rather lacklustre reaction to known dopers like Klöden getting off scott free.

Regards
GJ

 

[Benotti69]

As far as Lance goes, who knows, as many ways as he is suspicious, and investigated, he hasn't been prosecuted.
The 8 year prosecution timeline has come and gone.

You dont like Pelizzotti yet you defend the biggest doper in recent cycling history.

Your Avatar is of Astana a well known doping team! What's wrong with Pelizotti, seems to me like he is your kind of guy, a doper!

 

[pmcg76]

Who is that in your avatar, Plediadian? Could that be one of cycling's quintessential teflon men? Could it be Klöden? If yes, why do you carry a man in your avatar, who has been linked to more doping scandals than I care to remember.

Now I like Klöden as a rider as he is a stylish rider and seems humble enough. But your apparent outrage at Pelizotti and others who were unlucky enough not only to get "caught" but also to be prosecuted, is in irritating contrast with your rather lacklustre reaction to known dopers like Klöden getting off scott free.

Regards
GJ

Yeah noticed that as well and thought WTF.

This leaves me with impression that this guy is one of two things, neither of which is good.

 

[The Plediadian]

Yeah noticed that as well and thought WTF.

This leaves me with impression that this guy is one of two things, neither of which is good.

Kloden is a class rider. Can I make a general statement that during his career their was systematic doping, probably including the Astana team and during Floyds epic stage 17.
As far as the other poster, now that Armstrong has been cleared, Kloden is/was the biggest doper in the peloton?
I like Kloden, he has beautiful form on the bike like my other idols, Levi, Tony Martin and Ullrich.
I don't carry a torch against any cyclist, including Franco Pellizotti.
I actually rooted for Pelizotti until he smoked the field including Alberto in the ski resort, uber tough2008 GIRO TT.
I knew Pellizottis strengths and from that point on,(including his polka dots tour) I knew he was off the charts E.T.
To be the first pro rider banned for an off the charts biological passport was a vindication for riders who raced clean against Pelizzoti, and whom he embarassed.
Pelizotti is cute, but Harpo Marx is way cuter!

 

[Benotti69]

Kloden is a class rider. Can I make a general statement that during his career their was systematic doping, probably including the Astana team and during Floyds epic stage 17.
As far as the other poster, now that Armstrong has been cleared, Kloden is/was the biggest doper in the peloton?
I like Kloden, he has beautiful form on the bike like my other idols, Levi, Tony Martin and Ullrich.
I don't carry a torch against any cyclist, including Franco Pellizotti.
I actually rooted for Pelizotti until he smoked the field including Alberto in the ski resort, uber tough2008 GIRO TT.
I knew Pellizottis strengths and from that point on,(including his polka dots tour) I knew he was off the charts E.T.
To be the first pro rider banned for an off the charts biological passport was a vindication for riders who raced clean against Pelizzoti, and whom he embarassed.
Pelizotti is cute, but Harpo Marx is way cuter!

For the record, Armstrong was not cleared.

The investigation was dropped.

The investigation was into criminal activities not doping.

 

[Hugh Januss]

For the record, Armstrong was not cleared.

The investigation was dropped.

The investigation was into criminal activities not doping.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that certain trolling trolls will continue to make that statement for as long as they can get someone to rise to the bait.

 

[The Plediadian]

I love cycling and I especially liked this GIRO stage and the top 5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRlbdKM5h0

 

[Benotti69]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that certain trolling trolls will continue to make that statement for as long as they can get someone to rise to the bait.

Since the trolls are not getting modded it is better to keep them in line and show their trolling for what it is.

There are more trolls on here now than ever since the Feds dropped the case. It's like they came out of hiding at the surprise of the criminal investigation being dropped to gloat and now realise that the no one no longer doubts Armstrong doped.

 

[The Plediadian]

Since the trolls are not getting modded it is better to keep them in line and show their trolling for what it is.

There are more trolls on here now than ever since the Feds dropped the case. It's like they came out of hiding at the surprise of the criminal investigation being dropped to gloat and now realise that the no one no longer doubts Armstrong doped.

Anyone have a count here on how many posts about Lance are on the forum?

 

[palmerq]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10780&highlight=Pellizotti

already a thread for pellizotti and I dont think this thread was started with noble intentions