Phil, Paul and Bob.

[compete_clean]

Will these 3 idiots go away now?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Never ever trust guys in neck ties.... A simple truth.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Never ever trust guys in neck ties.... A simple truth.

I like it. And the proof seems to be in the pudding:

Seriously, if my choices are P&P&R, I would rather listen to commentary in Flemish, Danish, French, Italian, German, Mandarin. (And I speak none of these languages).

 

[danjo007]

phil is making more mistakes than ever lately. losing his marbles?

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Seems the sinking of the Ti-Lance-ic is dragging down some of his steadfast supporters over the years. (sigh)

 

[irongrl]

phil is making more mistakes than ever lately. losing his marbles?

I am a novice when it comes to watching and understanding bike races, and even I have noticed this. I don't dislike Phil, Paul & Bob, but they really aren't the best at what they do. I recently started downloading Eurosports broadcasts on my pc and the difference between Versus and ES is like night and day. Eurosport has much better coverage. Versus bike race coverage is pretty pathetic. Unfortunately I'm stuck with Versus for TV viewing.

 

[Berzin]

The pathetic aspect of this is that Liggett and Sherwen didn't have to take the track they took.

Once they became married to WCP and Cycle Sport magazine (not really a magazine but a subsidiary of the WCP catalog) they became relentless shills for anything Armstrong.

They didn't used to be like this, but that's what money does to people. They have lost all credibility and their Tour coverage has suffered because of it.

With the addition of Bob Roll, who is supposedly a comedic foil but ruins everything he touches, they just completely went off the rails.

 

[fishtacos]

The only way I could stand to hear Phil at this point is if he was commentating after LA's trial:
"And Armstrong is going down to Cell Block 8 like a grand prix motorcar!"


In an ironic note, as I tried to go to liggettfan.com (seriously?) to verify the quote I just appropriated, my anti-virus program blocked the site as it's hosting a trojan horse.

I kid you not.


They should retire immediately and never again darken a cycling broadcast with their shameless pandering.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

It isn't just Phil, Paul and Bob, it is also Harmon. It's all the print journalists who for years fawned over Armstrong and lied through their teeth even though they knew what was going on.

 

[Dewulf]

I like it. And the proof seems to be in the pudding:

Seriously, if my choices are P&P&R, I would rather listen to commentary in Flemish, Danish, French, Italian, German, Mandarin. (And I speak none of these languages).

+1, and i've only heard P+P in action, never had the 'pleasure' of hearing Roll

What gets me even more than the Lance fixation and rider ID mistakes is the incessant repeating of the simplest of facts and ^attempted^ tension-builders. Stock phrases about why riders try to break away, repeated 4 or 5 times during a stage in lieu of telling us what's actually going on, who's in or out of that break, who's going to lose/profit from what's going on, or hey, even some extra little insight into behind the scenes kinda stuff (Matt Keenan does this really well), all just ignored because as Berzin notes, they decided to ***** their commentary out to multiple channels at the same time for the $$$, leaving them repeating basics so they have less chance of messing up (and yet they still.....)

 

[compete_clean]

I like it. And the proof seems to be in the pudding:

Kelly is pretty mum on doping when it is brought up on ES. Honestly, Sean Kelly as a commentator baffles me. The guy has the charisma of a piece of wood. I've grown used to him now but it's kind of funny.

Of course Kelly and ES coverage is 1000x better than those idiots Phil, Paul and Bob. A lot of what Paul Sherwin says makes no sense to me.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Will these 3 idiots go away now?

Nnn.....yuk, yuk, yuk. No.

 

[Anonymous]

I think/hope phil and pauls careers will be over once this all comes out.

Wonder if phil and paul have been asked to testify? They must know something. Theres no way you can be that close to armstrong for all those years and not know something.

 

[Benotti69]

I think/hope phil and pauls careers will be over once this all comes out.

Wonder if phil and paul have been asked to testify? They must know something. Theres no way you can be that close to armstrong for all those years and not know something.

to me P&P were groupies kept outside the inner circle.

 

[ChrisE]

Care to compare their bank accounts with all of the righteous ones in here? I didn't think so. Scoreboard.

We are all w****s, get off your high horse.

 

[Anonymous]

Care to compare their bank accounts with all of the righteous ones in here? I didn't think so. Scoreboard.

We are all w****s, get off your high horse.

Id rather compare deposits in their accounts with withdrawals from Lances Cayman Islands account

 

[Anonymous]

I think/hope phil and pauls careers will be over once this all comes out.

Wonder if phil and paul have been asked to testify? They must know something. Theres no way you can be that close to armstrong for all those years and not know something.

I don't think Armstrong would have let P&P see anything or know anything. Roll on the other hand probably does. He is the one who was riding with Lance in Boone when Lance decided to try to win the TdF. I would bet a million that they had some discussions during the ride that centered on what it would really take to win the race.

 

[JRTinMA]

I don't think Armstrong would have let P&P see anything or know anything. Roll on the other hand probably does. He is the one who was riding with Lance in Boone when Lance decided to try to win the TdF. I would bet a million that they had some discussions during the ride that centered on what it would really take to win the race.

P&P annoy me just because they feel like they need to be constantly talking, sometime its ok to just let the race unfold. Roll on the other hand I can't stand, sometimes I have to mute the TV when he's on. Unfortunately he's probably outside the blast radius that is LA and he will remain.

 

[ChrisE]

Id rather compare deposits in their accounts with withdrawals from Lances Cayman Islands account

Touche.

Seriously, they are cycling commentators. That is their job. They found themselves in a position where a popular American, ie big market, rider started winning with an inspirational story outside of the sport. This helped them financially in the career they were entrenched in. They took advantage of that, in a sport that was not squeaky clean to begin with which I am sure they knew anyway; they made this choice years before LA. This is basic human nature.

So, they had a choice...either say "hell no this guy is a fraud" in contradiction to what they knew about the sport, and have major impact on their well being. Or they take advantage of what was in their face, which was nothing different than what they had seen previously in the sport, ie doped riders winning races.

It is easy for me to understand why they are like they are....they are not so stupid to believe LA was clean. They made a choice and are entrenched. So what?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

They made the choice to lie so they deserve all the abuse that they get.

 

[ChrisE]

They made the choice to lie so they deserve all the abuse that they get.

No beef with that, but they made that choice when they decided to start commenting on bike racing for a living, without sprinkling in charges in their commentary of PED use while the star of the day was going up the mountain.

Life decisions aren't that simple after the fact, are they?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Why not? Other commentators in other languages do. You should listen to non-english language commentary. They are quite open in calling out suspect performances and talking about doping. Something the english language commentators and journalists have failed to do since 1999.

Furthermore, it is not that they merely remained silent - they also participated (and continue to) in attacks on whistleblowers like Landis, Hamilton etc. They were part of the whole 'machine' - not passive observers, but rather active participants.

That goes for Phil, Harmon, Benson, Freibe, mainstream media hacks at Yahoo, AP etc

If Walsh, Kimmage, etc could speak out and be critical then why not any of the others? If Phil, CN hacks etc wanted an easy life then fine but again they deserve all the criticism and abuse they get for their decisions and their actions.

 

[Barnaby]

Very much looking forward to Sherwen commenting on 'Lance doing the perp-walk digging deep into his suitcase full of courage'.

It might come out muffled with all that humble pie in his mouth.

 

[movingtarget]

Kelly is pretty mum on doping when it is brought up on ES. Honestly, Sean Kelly as a commentator baffles me. The guy has the charisma of a piece of wood. I've grown used to him now but it's kind of funny.

Of course Kelly and ES coverage is 1000x better than those idiots Phil, Paul and Bob. A lot of what Paul Sherwin says makes no sense to me.

I like Kelly and Harmon because they are so different. Matt Keenan is also good but the problem is he thinks he has to be talking non stop and after a while it becomes too much. Take a breath Matt ! You're allowed !

 

[theswordsman]

I saw an old triathlon video from when Lance was in high school, and Phil was gushing about him already then. I tuned them in the past two days just to hear what they would or would not say about 60 Minutes. I voluntarily switched to Carlton Kirby. Enough said. (Although to be fair, he's been much less annoying lately)