Giro d'Italia Piancavallo 2026 climbing time

[Red Rick]

We're back ladies and gents, for more Climbingo Times and yes I full deserve a red card for that pun.

Same rules as last time. Closest guess gets the like from the PWU. Votes are public and cannot be changed.

Previous climbing times

1998: 36'20 (Marco Pantani)
2017: 38'50 (Thibaut Pinot)
2020: 37'50 (Tao Geoghan Hart)

Weather forecast I see is pretty hot in the valley and a moderate cross/tailwind.

My prediction is that the record falls if Vingegaard wants it but he may care more about Piganzoli than triggering the W/kg cabal

 

[Peyresourde]

Voted 36'40 to 37'00

Conditions look fast, but Visma won't use Piganzoli to pace. So Redbull and Hindley have to do it. Then the question is if and when Vingegaard attacks over the top. If he just sits on Hindley and Gall, the time could also be pretty slow.

The Pantani record is really high level, without perfect pacing Vingegaard won't be able to beat it in his current shape.

 

[Netserk]

lemmen campenaerts and kuss are more than enough for the first five km before vingegaard attacks

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Due to my climbing times predictions being usually spot on other users apply unfair tactics towards me so I won't post any accurate prediction this time. I like you guys so I will give you a hint: between half an hour and an hour.

 

[Red Rick]

Due to my climbing times predictions being usually spot on other users apply unfair tactics towards me so I won't post any accurate prediction this time. I like you guys so I will give you a hint: between half an hour and an hour.

As the OP I should have gone first, my mistake

I predict 36'02. I believe it wasn't one of Pantani's best records, and I believe they don't need Piganzoli doing a turn to break it.

Kuss is flying now and I expect Kuss to drop Eulalio already

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I'd like to have people know I voted before Peyresourde, but in case it turns out to be a wrong answer, I will edit this post to make it seem like I based it on his prediction.

 

[Tim Cahill]

This was a very fast time/number from Pantani but the stage was quite easy and Montecampione was better imo, him and Tonkov were full spitnik anyway so to beat it I think you would need the kind of performance you will be seeing in The Tour.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I predict 36'02. I believe it wasn't one of Pantani's best records, and I believe they don't need Piganzoli doing a turn to break it.

1883 m/h of VAM for 36' is pretty scary on an 8% climb with one false flat km. Even with eternal tailwind. This is almost Plateau de Beille'2024 level of climbing.

 

[vappa]

I predict 6,5w/kg and a 4km solo, however long that would take

 

[Red Rick]

1883 m/h of VAM for 36' is pretty scary on an 8% climb with one false flat km. Even with eternal tailwind. This is almost Plateau de Beille'2024 level of climbing.

It is significantly lower altitude and significantly shorter

 

[Peyresourde]

1883 m/h of VAM for 36' is pretty scary on an 8% climb with one false flat km. Even with eternal tailwind. This is almost Plateau de Beille'2024 level of climbing.

The last flat part is not in the segment. 36 minutes would be 1853 VAM according to my metrics.

Pantani did 1838 VAM, which is probably his highest for a longer climb. (Of course in good conditions and with a lighter bike than his older Alpe d'Huez record)

 

[SHAD0W93]

The way this race has gone, a real slow grinder is only fitting.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The last flat part is not in the segment. 36 minutes would be 1853 VAM according to my metrics.

Pantani did 1838 VAM, which is probably his highest for a longer climb. (Of course in good conditions and with a lighter bike than his older Alpe d'Huez record)

Pantani had a slightly lower VAM (1816 m/h) on a 42+ minute Mortirolo climb but that beast is almost 11% on average so much less energy wasted on non-gravity stuff.

 

[Red Rick]

The most logical heuristic shouldn't be "omg it was Pantani", it should really be that Hindley did it only 1'30 slower than the record in 2020.

There should be no doubt Hindley is significantly better now than in 2020, and Vingegaard has been putting a minute into him every time he's tried.

 

[Rou]

37:21.
I'm surprised people think Pantani's record is in danger.

 

[Red Rick]

37:21.
I'm surprised people think Pantani's record is in danger.

Because it's not that great of a record.

 

[Netserk]

36 32

 

[Rou]

Because it's not that great of a record.

1836 VAM for Marco (which is more than current shape Vingegaard's capabilities).
The stage tomorrow is also stage 20 (200 km with a double ascent).

 

[ice&fire]

37:21.
I'm surprised people think Pantani's record is in danger.

Yes, like Heras' record on the Amgliru

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Guys, my hint #2: Vingegaard won't even have the fastest Piancavallo time tomorrow. Guess, why.

 

[Rou]

Guys, my hint #2: Vingegaard won't even have the fastest Piancavallo time tomorrow. Guess, why.

Babysitting duties?

 

[topcat]

37'00 +/- 1 second.
We had a good stage today but the podium looks settled.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Babysitting duties?

Full-time superdom, babysitting Piganzoli on those faster sectors in the upper half. He's a man of his word, isn't he?

 

[Red Rick]

Pantani had a slightly lower VAM (1816 m/h) on a 42+ minute Mortirolo climb but that beast is almost 11% on average so much less energy wasted on non-gravity stuff.

Were bikes even well geared for the Mortirolo back then?

It also fits with my observation that part of the climbing times of yesteryear was the insane motorpacing which would ofcourse be much reduced on the Mortirolo

 

[Peyresourde]

The most logical heuristic shouldn't be "omg it was Pantani", it should really be that Hindley did it only 1'30 slower than the record in 2020.

There should be no doubt Hindley is significantly better now than in 2020, and Vingegaard has been putting a minute into him every time he's tried.

Hindley has improved his consistency, but not his peak watts. he was quite inspired that day and climbing speeds were fast in 2020. I am also interested to see if he can improve his time from back then.

Were bikes even well geared for the Mortirolo back then?

It also fits with my observation that part of the climbing times of yesteryear was the insane motorpacing which would ofcourse be much reduced on the Mortirolo

Mortirolo was in 1994 (heavier bike) and not a mountain top finish. It was also Pantani's first great climbing performance. The record on Mortirolo is from 1999 (1853 VAM).

Pantani's Giro in '94 could be compared to Pogacar's Giro in 2024. A new climbing level, but still before the total watt explosion.