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You do realise that a sizeable chunk of WF posters is Flemish, and that the behaviour you refer to doesn't apply to the vast majority of people on there anyway? The fact that the chunk of the Dutch population who think they know better than anyone else is probably larger than average shouldn't be generalized to the Dutch population as a whole, your claim that it's the attitude of a majority has absolutely zero evidence to back it up; snapshots from places like Albufeira and Kirchberg are about as representative for the average Dutch person as your typical English-dominated Spanish party town is for the average Briton, or a Southern trailer town is for the average American. Moreover, both of those stereotypes are also often used to make generalising statements, whether they're about a part of the population (Southern, young, 'lesser-educated') or the country's population as a whole.
Look, I don't really post much on WF anymore, but that's not because of widespread arrogance and hatefulness, rather because it simply isn't there.
Oh, and on the subject of arrogance and hatefulness towards foreign riders...
Everything I quoted is based on facts . No arrogance, but facts. I'm not reading any substantive or argued response from you here.
Everything you wrote is opinion. It might be based on experience, but essentially it looks like generalisation and confirmation bias.Everything I quoted is based on facts . No arrogance, but facts. I'm not reading any substantive or argued response from you here.
CN articleLeo Hayter has been released by the DSM development team and has agreed to join Hagens Berman Axeon for 2022 as Hayter wanted to move into the WorldTour before 2023, a move which the team flatly refused.
This, I don't like DSM and their overall approach, but I fail to see what they did wrong this time. Let him ride another season in the u23 ranks and have him be a stagiaire from August onward. Already going pro on a WT team wouldn't have made a lot of sense.That guy has exactly one under result worth mentioning. It's really not controversial to let him race minor races for one more year before considering wt.
Apparently he wanted to get the contract right now, that makes no sense for DSM because they probably have a clause in his developmental contract that allows them to sign him for the WT team afterwards if both parties agree. Why wouldn't you let him ride one more year in the u23 ranks to see how he does and what kind of rider he is before offering him a WT contract?I am struggling to see the issue with Hayter and DSM - he rides 2022 in the DSM conti team and if he is good enough he'll get a WT contract in 2023 - DSM will not accepting a WT contract.
Is the statistics correct that they still have no win this year?
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Bardet and SKA?They have only 2 good riders really
SKA and Arensman. Maybe 3 with BardetBardet and SKA?
I hope they get relegated. It's a poorly managed team with overly strict and absurd rules, the talent is being drained year by year due to their poor management of riders...
SKA, Arensman, Degenkolb and Bardet are the only riders which can consistently score points for them, with John noticeably regressing. Maybe Dainese in lesser sprints classics.
Well let’s be honest here:
Combaud
Heinschke
Kragh Andersen A
Markl
Mayrhofer
Naberman
Nieuwenhuis
Rodenberg
Thats hardly PCT level and it 11/28 riders for DSM already.
Not even RhD would be envious of those counting skills.
They got way too many points in 2020. Israel and LTS are way too far behind. Maybr Israel can do it once they're top riders are fit and if DSM completely loses the plot but I doubt it. Lotto is definitely never catching them.