Rank the top 5 cyclists from your country by palmares

[Zinoviev Letter]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

There was a similar thread to this in 2009. It would be interesting to see the changes. In the case of Ireland, in 2009 Dan Martin was a second year pro and Sam Bennett was a junior.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2704&hilit=Shay+Elliott

 

[Koronin]

For the US, take that list and add Tejay van Garderen and Andrew Talensky and you've got your current list.

1. Lance Armstrong
2. Greg Lemond
3. Andrew Hampsten
4. Levi Leipheimer
5. Tejay van Garderen
6. Andrew Talensky
7. Christian Vande Velde
8. George Mount
9. Bobby Julrich
10. George Hincapie
11. David Zabriskie
12. Davis Phinney

Yes I copy and pasted and added the two riders that needed added.

 

[The Hegelian]

Australia, from memory so probably gonna make some heinous errors.......

1. Cadel Evans
2. Phil Anderson
3. Robbie McEwan
4. Simon Gerrans
5. Richie Porte
6. Stuart O'Grady
7. Michael Matthews
8. Matt Goss (one monument gets you a long way....)
9. Matt Haymen (ditto)
10. Baden Cooke
11. Caleb Ewan
12. Rohan Dennis
13. Brad McGee

 

[macbindle]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Counting all restults won on road.

1. Lance Armstrong
2. Greg Lemond
3. Andrew Hampsten
4. Levi Leipheimer
5. Chris Horner
6. Floyd Landis
7. Tyler Hamilton
8. Bobby Julrich
9. Tejay Van Garderen
10. David Zabriskie

Counting all offical results.

1. Greg Lemond
2. Andrew Hampston
3. Chris Horner
4. Levi Leipheimer
5. Tyler Hamilton
6. Bobby Julrich
7. Tejay Van Garderen
8. Andrew Talansky
9. Tyler Farrar
10. Christian Vande Velde

 

[Leinster]

Lance officially still has 2 Tour stages, a Fleche Wallonne, a San Sebastián, and a Worlds. That puts him well into the Top 10 for the US. Above Tejay or Talansky at least. Probably ahead of Hamilton.

 

[The Hegelian]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.

He's got a sweet Irish accent though. In my book, if you've got one of those + you officially claim to be Irish then walks like a duck/quacks like a duck argument holds.

 

[The Hegelian]

Who's doing Slovakia by the way?

 

[macbindle]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.

He's got a sweet Irish accent though. In my book, if you've got one of those + you officially claim to be Irish then walks like a duck/quacks like a duck argument holds.

He's got a Staffordshire accent. No hint of Irish.

Have a listen:

https://youtu.be/sgYbEkRgSSA

and compare

https://youtu.be/jsUvcjk8J5c

Plus if you want ultimate proof that he's British, check out his teeth

 

[tobydawq]

1 Rolf Sørensen
2 Bjarne Riis
3 Michael Rasmussen
4 Ole Ritter
5 Jakob Fuglsang

I'm sure this will have completely changed in five years' time.

Valgren is already knocking.

 

[42x16ss]

Re:

Australia, from memory so probably gonna make some heinous errors.......

1. Cadel Evans
2. Phil Anderson
3. Robbie McEwan
4. Simon Gerrans
5. Richie Porte
6. Stuart O'Grady
7. Michael Matthews
8. Matt Goss (one monument gets you a long way....)
9. Matt Haymen (ditto)
10. Baden Cooke
11. Caleb Ewan
12. Rohan Dennis
13. Brad McGee

You’ve got most of the right names there but the order is a little out of whack. Most obvious is Gerrans should be higher than McEwen and Ewan below Dennis and McGee. Goss is above Matthews too, for now IMO. Then there’s Michael Rogers.

 

[del1962]

Re:

On the proviso that we are talking Male, and we are talking those that represented Britain

1. Chris Froome
2. Mark Cavendish
3. Brad Wiggins
4. Tom Simpson
5. One from Boardman, G or Robert Millar

 

[46&twoWheels]

1)Bartali/Coppi
2)Coppi/Bartali
3)Gimondi

4) and 5) it gets complicated between Nibali,Moser,Saronni,Girardengo,Binda. I can see Nibali passing Gimondi if he wins Tour and World

 

[Gigs_98]

Austria:

 

[Forever The Best]

1- Mustafa Sayar.
2- Ahmet Örken
3- Nazım Bakırcı
I don't know much about the others.

 

[DFA123]

Spain (no doubt this will be controversial):

1. Valverde
2. Indurain
3. Contador
4. Purito
5. Freire (though this one could easily be Heras/Bahamontes/Ocaña/Delgado)

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

1. R. Szurkowski
2. S. Szozda
3. M. Kwiatkowski
4. R. Majka
5. Z. Jaskuła

 

[DNP-Old]

1. Nairo Quintana
2. Lucho Herrera
3. Cochise Rodriguez
4. Esteban Chaves
5. Santiago Botero, Fabio Parra, Rigoberto Uran

The difference in eras makes this really hard. Not to mention that some spent the majority of their careers in Colombia doesn't make it any easier.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Re: Re:

On the proviso that we are talking Male, and we are talking those that represented Britain

1. Chris Froome
2. Mark Cavendish
3. Brad Wiggins
4. Tom Simpson
5. One from Boardman, G or Robert Millar

This.

2,3 and 4 order could be argued. I'd throw in the other Millar and Barry Hoban into the mix for 5 also. Both won 10 GT stages, whilst Hoban also won GW and Millar has his WC medals.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Re:

Spain (no doubt this will be controversial):

1. Valverde
2. Indurain
3. Contador
4. Purito
5. Freire (though this one could easily be Heras/Bahamontes/Ocaña/Delgado)

It is. Valverde above Indurain? Really?

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Spain (no doubt this will be controversial):

1. Valverde
2. Indurain
3. Contador
4. Purito
5. Freire (though this one could easily be Heras/Bahamontes/Ocaña/Delgado)

It is. Valverde above Indurain? Really?

Well, the top three are obviously the top three in some order. And Indurain has to come above Contador. Where Valverde comes in that list I guess depends how highly you rate one day wins vs stage races and total volume of wins/podium finishes.

For me versatility and range of wins gives a more impressive palmares than just winning one kind of race. Otherwise Purito shouldn't really be in the top 5 either.

 

[alter]

1.Peter Sagan.
2.Anton Tkac
3. Jan Svorada
4. Peter Velits
5. Milan Jurco
6. Erik Baska

 

[Baldinger]

Re:

1 Rolf Sørensen
2 Bjarne Riis
3 Michael Rasmussen
4 Ole Ritter
5 Jakob Fuglsang

I'm sure this will have completely changed in five years' time.

Valgren is already knocking.

Yay, fun game!
But Rasmussen and Ritter over Fuglsang? Come on.

4x stage Tour de France ('07, '06, '05)
stage Vuelta a Espana ('03)
7th GC Tour de France ('05)
7th GC Vuelta a Espana ('03)
stage Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré ('04)
stage Vuelta a Burgos ('02)
2nd stage Tour de France ('07)
14th GC Tour de France ('04)

VS.

3x GC Post Danmark Rundt-Tour of Denmark ('10, '09, '08)
GC Critérium du Dauphiné ('17)
GC Skoda-Tour de Luxembourg ('12)
GC Int. Osterreich-Rundfahrt-Tour of Austria ('12)
GC Tour De Slovénie ('09)
2nd Olympic Games Road Race ('16)
2x stage Critérium du Dauphiné ('17)
2nd GC Tour de Suisse ('18)

 

[LosBrolin]

1. Kari Myyryläinen
2. Jussi Veikkanen
3. Joona Laukka
4. Harry Hannus
5. Kjell Carlström