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Ranking classics cyclists 2000-2023

Hi, I tried to rank the best classics cyclists of the period 2000-2023. I considered the 5 monuments.

I gave the following points:
100 for every win
35 for second
25 for third
15 for fourth
10 for fifth

I also gave points bonus for cyclists who have won different classics, so a cyclist who won 1 Milano Sanremo, 1 Ronde, 1 Paris-Roubaix, 1 LBL receives more points than a cyclist who won for example 4 Milano Sanremo.
These are the point bonus:
250 (wins in all 5 monuments)
175 (wins in 4 monuments + 1 podium in the other)
150 (wins in 4 monuments)
130 (wins in 3 monuments + 2 podium in the others)
115 (wins in 3 monuments + 1 podium)
100 (wins in 3 monuments)
90 (wins in 2 monuments + 3 podium)
80 (wins in 2 monuments + 2 podium)
70 (wins in 2 monuments + 1 podium)
60( wins in 1 monument + 4 podium)
50 (wins in 2 monuments)
35 (win in 1 monument + 3 podium)
25 (win in 1 monument + 2 podium)
15 (win in 1 monument + 1 podium)

So, for example, Valverde receives 15 point bonus (he only won LBL + podium at Giro di Lombardia), while Gilbert 175 (he won 4 different monuments + 1 podium).

This is the top 40 of the ranking (includes cyclists who got at leat 150 points)

1 CANCELLARA 1110
2 BOONEN 1000
3 GILBERT 840
4 BETTINI 675
5 VALVERDE 670
6 POGACAR 665
7 VAN DER POEL 645
8 SAGAN 485
9 NIBALI 465
10 KRISTOFF 415
11 TERPSTRA 370
12 FREIRE 355
13 VAN PETEGEM 350
14 D. MARTIN 345
15 CUNEGO 340
16 J. RODRIGUEZ 335
17 REBELLIN 325
18 VAN AVERMAET 325
19 VAN AERT 320
20 ALAPHILIPPE 315
21 ZABEL 305
22 MUSEEUW 295
23 DEGENKOLB 395
24 DI LUCA 285
25 FUGLSANG 280
26 BALLAN 255
27 POZZATO 250
28 GERRANS 250
29 VINOKUROV 225
30 DEVOLVER 200
31 EVENEPOEL 200
32 KWIATOKWSKI 190
33 PETACCHI 185
34WESEMAN 175
35 S. SANCHEZ 170
36 VAN BAARLE 165
37 BOODGERD 155
38 A. SCHLECK 155
39 CIPOLLINI 150
40 DEMARE 150
 
If your goal is to measure the most succesfull riders in biggest one-day races, you need to add Worlds and Olympics road races.
This way it is only a monuments rankings.

Edit: I did some quick maths. With these two races things would be a little different. It would be:
1.Cancellara, Boonen
3.Bettini
4.Gilbert
5.Valverde
6.Sagan
7.Van Der Poel
8.Pogacar
9.Freire
10.Zabel

But without bonuses (which I think you give way too much points for), things are even more different:
1.Cancellara
2.Boonen
3,Bettini
4.Valverde
5.Gilbert
6.Sagan
7.Freire
8.Van Der Poel
9.Zabel
10.Pogacar
 
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If your goal is to measure the most succesfull riders in biggest one-day races, you need to add Worlds and Olympics road races.
This way it is only a monuments rankings.

Edit: I did some quick maths. With these two races things would be a little different. It would be:
1.Cancellara, Boonen
3.Bettini
4.Gilbert
5.Valverde
6.Sagan
7.Van Der Poel
8.Pogacar
9.Freire
10.Zabel

But without bonuses (which I think you give way too much points for), things are even more different:
1.Cancellara
2.Boonen
3,Bettini
4.Valverde
5.Gilbert
6.Sagan
7.Freire
8.Van Der Poel
9.Zabel
10.Pogacar
It was only about monuments my ranking. About bonus I gave many points because I thought, for example, about Gilbert and Valverde; with no bonus Gilbert has 665, Valverde 655, but Valverde won only LBL, with podium at LBL and Lombardia, Gilbert won 4 different monuments + podium at MSR, this aspects make, IMO, Gilbert's monument career a lot better than Valverde's.

However I thought about also World and Olympics, but in an other ranking, and also add Amstel Gold Race, Fleche Vallonie, Paris-Tours, Strade Bianche, San Sebastian. When I will make this ranking I will not consider bonus because it's more difficult to consider them.
 
From the moment you start adding something besides a monument, you are going to get long discussions about races that should or shouldn't be added. And eventually you end up with adding everything and you have cqranking or pcs ranking
And at some point in the middle Valverde fans will start discussing with Nibali fans how many Gran Premio Miguel Indurain wins equal one Lombardia.
 
These are the things that get me through the winter.
I published my all-time ranking a few years ago on kingoftheechelon.com (counting podiums for one-day races and top-5 for the WC).
Narrowing it down to monuments, monuments+WC+Olympics and all significant one-day race, I came to the following results:

Monuments:
1​
CANCELLARA, Fabian
1806​
3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR
2​
BOONEN, Tom
1554​
4x PR; 3x RVV
3​
VALVERDE, Alejandro
1140​
4x LBL
4​
GILBERT, Philippe
1110​
2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL
5​
VAN DER POEL, Mathieu
912​
2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x MSR
6​
BETTINI, Paolo
846​
2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR
7​
POGACAR, Tadej
810​
3x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x LBL
8​
NIBALI, Vincenzo
702​
2x GDL; 1x MSR
9​
RODRIGUEZ, Joaquim
612​
2x GDL
10​
ALAPHILIPPE, Julian
594​
1x MSR


Monuments + Worlds + Olympics
1​
VALVERDE, Alejandro
2061​
1x WC; 4x LBL
2​
CANCELLARA, Fabian
1976​
3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR
3​
BOONEN, Tom
1871​
1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV
4​
BETTINI, Paolo
1675​
2x WC; 1x OLY; 2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR
5​
GILBERT, Philippe
1335​
1x WC; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL
6​
SAGAN, Peter
1303​
3x WC; 1x RVV; 1x PR
7​
VAN DER POEL, Mathieu
1137​
1x WC; 2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x MSR
8​
FREIRE, Oscar
1052​
2x WC; 3x MSR
9​
ALAPHILIPPE, Julian
1044​
2x WC; 1x MSR
10​
VAN AERT, Wout
1042​
1x MSR

All prestigious one-day races
1​
VALVERDE, Alejandro
3600​
1x WC; 4x LBL; 5x FW; 2x CSS; 1x LAZ
2​
BOONEN, Tom
3322​
1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV; 3x GW; 5x E3H; 2x SS; 2x PB
3​
GILBERT, Philippe
2901​
1x WC; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL; 4x AGR; 2x PT; 1x FW; 1x CSS; 2x PIEM; 2x OHV; 1x STRBI; 1x GPQ
4​
SAGAN, Peter
2567​
3x WC; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 3x GW; 2x GPQ; 1x GPMON; 1x E3H
5​
BETTINI, Paolo
2514​
2x WC; 1x OLY; 2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR; 2x ZUR; 1x HEW; 1x CSS; 1x LAZ
6​
CANCELLARA, Fabian
2474​
3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR; 3x STRBI; 3x E3H
7​
REBELLIN, Davide
2198​
1x LBL; 3x FW; 1x AGR; 2x EMIL; 1x VEN; 1x RHT
8​
VAN AVERMAET, Greg
2164​
1x OLY; 1x PR; 1x PT; 1x GW; 2x OHV; 2x GPMON; 1x E3H
9​
VAN AERT, Wout
1850​
1x MSR; 1x GW; 1x AGR; 2x E3H; 1x STRBI; 1x OHV
10​
KRISTOFF, Alexander
1724​
1x RVV; 1x MSR; 1x HEW; 1x GW; 4x RHT; 2x SS

The main conclusion is that Mathieu van der Poel does not rank among the best one-day riders :tearsofjoy:
 
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From the moment you start adding something besides a monument, you are going to get long discussions about races that should or shouldn't be added. And eventually you end up with adding everything and you have cqranking or pcs ranking
Nah I think it's safe to include worlds and Olympics without risking a slippery slope to Brabantse Pijl. If ever the world's number one racer targets it as an A race then it can be on the list. That rules out pretty much everything not among these 7 races. Of course the list can change. Monuments weren't always monuments and the Olympics wasn't always important to cyclists. Strade Bianche might get there some day but so far it's still a B race for MVDP types.
 
These are the things that get me through the winter.
I published my all-time ranking a few years ago on kingoftheechelon.com (counting podiums for one-day races and top-5 for the WC).
Narrowing it down to monuments, monuments+WC+Olympics and all significant one-day race, I came to the following results:

Monuments:
1​
CANCELLARA, Fabian
1806​
3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR
2​
BOONEN, Tom
1554​
4x PR; 3x RVV
3​
VALVERDE, Alejandro
1140​
4x LBL
4​
GILBERT, Philippe
1110​
2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL
5​
VAN DER POEL, Mathieu
912​
2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x MSR
6​
BETTINI, Paolo
846​
2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR
7​
POGACAR, Tadej
810​
3x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x LBL
8​
NIBALI, Vincenzo
702​
2x GDL; 1x MSR
9​
RODRIGUEZ, Joaquim
612​
2x GDL
10​
ALAPHILIPPE, Julian
594​
1x MSR


Monuments + Worlds + Olympics
1​
VALVERDE, Alejandro
2061​
1x WC; 4x LBL
2​
CANCELLARA, Fabian
1976​
3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR
3​
BOONEN, Tom
1871​
1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV
4​
BETTINI, Paolo
1675​
2x WC; 1x OLY; 2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR
5​
GILBERT, Philippe
1335​
1x WC; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL
6​
SAGAN, Peter
1303​
3x WC; 1x RVV; 1x PR
7​
VAN DER POEL, Mathieu
1137​
1x WC; 2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x MSR
8​
FREIRE, Oscar
1052​
2x WC; 3x MSR
9​
ALAPHILIPPE, Julian
1044​
2x WC; 1x MSR
10​
VAN AERT, Wout
1042​
1x MSR

All prestigious one-day races
1​
VALVERDE, Alejandro
3600​
1x WC; 4x LBL; 5x FW; 2x CSS; 1x LAZ
2​
BOONEN, Tom
3322​
1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV; 3x GW; 5x E3H; 2x SS; 2x PB
3​
GILBERT, Philippe
2901​
1x WC; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL; 4x AGR; 2x PT; 1x FW; 1x CSS; 2x PIEM; 2x OHV; 1x STRBI; 1x GPQ
4​
SAGAN, Peter
2567​
3x WC; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 3x GW; 2x GPQ; 1x GPMON; 1x E3H
5​
BETTINI, Paolo
2514​
2x WC; 1x OLY; 2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR; 2x ZUR; 1x HEW; 1x CSS; 1x LAZ
6​
CANCELLARA, Fabian
2474​
3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR; 3x STRBI; 3x E3H
7​
REBELLIN, Davide
2198​
1x LBL; 3x FW; 1x AGR; 2x EMIL; 1x VEN; 1x RHT
8​
VAN AVERMAET, Greg
2164​
1x OLY; 1x PR; 1x PT; 1x GW; 2x OHV; 2x GPMON; 1x E3H
9​
VAN AERT, Wout
1850​
1x MSR; 1x GW; 1x AGR; 2x E3H; 1x STRBI; 1x OHV
10​
KRISTOFF, Alexander
1724​
1x RVV; 1x MSR; 1x HEW; 1x GW; 4x RHT; 2x SS

The main conclusion is that Mathieu van der Poel does not rank among the best one-day riders :tearsofjoy:

Nice list, but not sure how WVA gets in over MVDP without a RVV or PR, and without dominating anything like Valverde.
 
When you add the Olympics it appears in none of the top riders palmares. I don’t think the riders even care much for it
I haven't posted in months but just had to now because it is such an odd take.

Olympics 2021: 2nd WVA, 3rd Pogacar. Both clearly wanting to win.
Olympics 2016: 1st GVA, Nibali crashed out. Parcours was deemed to difficult for most of the top classic riders of that time.
Olympics 2012: Awful flat parcours. Gilbert still tried and Cancellara was in a winning position before he crashed. Kristoff was 3rd.
Olympics 2008: Difficult profile. Cancellara still grabbed a medal, Kolobnev and Rebellin both featured.
Olympics 2004: Won by Bettini. Top-10 has Zabel and lesser cycling stars.
...

Olympics have been a hotly contested race for decades now. Basically as soon as it entered the fray it came with such a wealth of historic value that people immediately wanted to win it.

Riders appearing in the Top-10 in KenFiamingo's post that got on an olympic podium:
- Greg Van Avermaet
- Paolo Bettini
- Alexander Kristoff
- Fabian Cancellara
- Davide Rebellin (disqualified)
- Wout Van Aert

That is 6 out of 10!

And that is with only 25% of the editions of the other races.
 
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Great effort by everyone who made a ranking!

I might be a little bit old-school, or maybe just an exception, but the criteria would be different for me:
1. Only wins count, podium, or top 10 doesn't matter. Someone who never wins but manages to gather a lot of second places should be low on this list.
2. Olympics don't count. I am not sure, but in my memory, the Olympics in cycling were never that important. Reading this forum, things seem to have changed.
3. Worlds definitely count! It gets you the best jersey!

Out of curiosity, how many points would Merckx have in your system?
 
Great effort by everyone who made a ranking!

I might be a little bit old-school, or maybe just an exception, but the criteria would be different for me:
1. Only wins count, podium, or top 10 doesn't matter. Someone who never wins but manages to gather a lot of second places should be low on this list.
2. Olympics don't count. I am not sure, but in my memory, the Olympics in cycling were never that important. Reading this forum, things seem to have changed.
3. Worlds definitely count! It gets you the best jersey!

Out of curiosity, how many points would Merckx have in your system?
The Olympics have only had a full pro field starting in ‘96, so that means there have only been 7 editions (7 golds awarded). If it was a yearly race that just started 7 years ago, we wouldn’t give it the same status as a 100-year-old monument.
 
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The Olympics have only had a full pro field starting in ‘96, so that means there have only been 7 editions (7 golds awarded). If it was a yearly race that just started 7 years ago, we wouldn’t give it the same status as a 100-year-old monument.
This explains why I don't value the Olympics as the Worlds or a Monument. Thank you! Never realized that it is such a young discipline in the Olympics.
 
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Great effort by everyone who made a ranking!

I might be a little bit old-school, or maybe just an exception, but the criteria would be different for me:
1. Only wins count, podium, or top 10 doesn't matter. Someone who never wins but manages to gather a lot of second places should be low on this list.
2. Olympics don't count. I am not sure, but in my memory, the Olympics in cycling were never that important. Reading this forum, things seem to have changed.
3. Worlds definitely count! It gets you the best jersey!

Out of curiosity, how many points would Merckx have in your system?

I have a quite simple take on dealing with the changing value of races. Cycling is built on the history it has made. But as already mentioned races disappear, new races are born, and others lose importance. I still value Paris-Tours as if it was a world cup race and it has little to no effect on the overall ranking as the current winners of Paris-Tours are 2nd tier riders that'll never collect sufficient results to make it to the ranking.

From that perspective, it also doesn't matter that relatively new races contribute retroactively. Whether it's the Olympics, Strade Bianche or the Canadian races: surprise or 2nd tier riders winning the early editions will be "forgotten" in the cracks of cycling history. What counts is that, over time, these races have gotten a top-quality field (and preferably keep it like that). You can say all you want about Montreal or Quebec, but apart from the monuments, the level of competition is one of the highest of the year.

Merckx does what he always does: crushing the competition.

Monuments
1​
MERCKX, Eddy
3630​
7x MSR; 5x LBL; 3x PR; 2x RVV; 2x GDL
2​
DE VLAEMINCK, Roger
2538​
4x PR; 3x MSR; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x LBL
3​
KELLY, Sean
1890​
3x GDL; 2x PR; 2x MSR; 2x LBL
4​
GIRARDENGO, Costante
1854​
6x MSR; 3x GDL
5​
CANCELLARA, Fabian
1806​
3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR
6​
COPPI, Fausto
1758​
5x GDL; 3x MSR; 1x PR
7​
MOSER, Francesco
1620​
3x PR; 2x GDL; 1x MSR
8​
VAN LOOY, Rik
1608​
3x PR; 2x RVV; 1x MSR; 1x LBL; 1x GDL
9​
MUSEEUW, Johan
1584​
3x RVV; 3x PR
10​
BARTALI, Gino
1554​
4x MSR; 3x GDL

Monuments + Worlds + Olympics
1​
MERCKX, Eddy
4465​
3x WC; 7x MSR; 5x LBL; 3x PR; 2x RVV; 2x GDL
2​
DE VLAEMINCK, Roger
2682​
4x PR; 3x MSR; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x LBL
3​
VAN LOOY, Rik
2406​
2x WC; 3x PR; 2x RVV; 1x MSR; 1x LBL; 1x GDL
4​
KELLY, Sean
2194​
3x GDL; 2x PR; 2x MSR; 2x LBL
5​
MOSER, Francesco
2133​
1x WC; 3x PR; 2x GDL; 1x MSR
6​
COPPI, Fausto
2075​
1x WC; 5x GDL; 3x MSR; 1x PR
7​
VALVERDE, Alejandro
2061​
1x WC; 4x LBL
8​
BINDA, Alfredo
2051​
3x WC; 4x GDL; 2x MSR
9​
GIRARDENGO, Costante
1998​
6x MSR; 3x GDL
10​
CANCELLARA, Fabian
1976​
3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR

All prestigious one-day races
1​
MERCKX, Eddy
6406​
3x WC; 7x MSR; 5x LBL; 3x PR; 2x RVV; 2x GDL; 3x GW; 3x FW; 2x AGR; 2x OHV; 1x SS; 1x RHT; 1x PIEM; 1x PB; 1x EMIL
2​
DE VLAEMINCK, Roger
4938​
4x PR; 3x MSR; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x LBL; 1x ZUR; 1x FW; 2x OHV; 2x MTO; 2x LAZ; 1x VEN; 1x SS; 1x PIEM; 1x PB; 1x EMIL; 1x E3H
3​
VAN LOOY, Rik
3990​
2x WC; 3x PR; 2x RVV; 1x MSR; 1x LBL; 1x GDL; 3x GW; 2x PT; 1x FW; 4x E3H; 2x SS; 2x PB
4​
MOSER, Francesco
3625​
1x WC; 3x PR; 2x GDL; 1x MSR; 1x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x GW; 1x FW; 3x LAZ; 2x EMIL; 1x VEN; 1x PIEM; 1x MTO
5​
VALVERDE, Alejandro
3600​
1x WC; 4x LBL; 5x FW; 2x CSS; 1x LAZ
6​
GIRARDENGO, Costante
3585​
6x MSR; 3x GDL; 5x MTO; 5x EMIL; 4x VEN; 3x PIEM
7​
MUSEEUW, Johan
3445​
1x WC; 3x RVV; 3x PR; 2x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x HEW; 1x AGR; 2x OHV; 2x E3H
8​
BOONEN, Tom
3322​
1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV; 3x GW; 5x E3H; 2x SS; 2x PB
9​
GILBERT, Philippe
2901​
1x WC; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL; 4x AGR; 2x PT; 1x FW; 1x CSS; 2x PIEM; 2x OHV; 1x STRBI; 1x GPQ
10​
RAAS, Jan
2884​
1x WC; 2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x MSR; 5x AGR; 2x PT; 1x GW; 3x E3H; 1x PB; 1x OHV
 
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Great effort by everyone who made a ranking!

I might be a little bit old-school, or maybe just an exception, but the criteria would be different for me:
1. Only wins count, podium, or top 10 doesn't matter. Someone who never wins but manages to gather a lot of second places should be low on this list.
2. Olympics don't count. I am not sure, but in my memory, the Olympics in cycling were never that important. Reading this forum, things seem to have changed.
3. Worlds definitely count! It gets you the best jersey!

Out of curiosity, how many points would Merckx have in your system?
Totally agree on the first point, any ranking that has WvA above VdP is perverse.

However I'd imagine 90% of the peloton would rather win the Olympics than the 2 'lesser' monuments. And many would probably have it above any of them. The Olympics is huge in a way that day to day road cycling isn't for the average person (TdF excluded).
 

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