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Reactions and comments to The CIRC report

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I thought it could be useful to have a thread to gather and discuss reactions to the report.

The CIRC thread is good for discussing the content, so this is an attempt to discuss and address various opinions to the report.

It could be from riders, former riders, UCI, WADA, Teams, Media, ourselves, etc..

As an example we have David Millar:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...cognise-this-almost-tabloidesque-account.html

Intro:

My first feeling on finishing reading the CIRC report was one of disappointment. I didn't speak to CIRC. They invited me. Only they forgot I was then an active professional cyclist who spends most of his time on the road and has a wife and two baby boys at home. I never found time to travel to them and they never once mentioned coming to me. I regret not making the time after reading the report.
 
Oct 16, 2010
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Uli Fluhme ‏@ulif 6h6 hours ago
.@TheRaceRadio @inrng @dimspace @veloclinic @velocast what's everyone's guess on the blacked out page?


Paulo Sousa ‏@pstriathlon 6h6 hours ago
@ulif The stuff about Sky that we'll see confirmed in about in 10-15 years

Uli Fluhme ‏@ulif
@pstriathlon haha, when I was reading "Festina", "Telekom", "Puerto", I thought soon we'll have the "@TeamSky scandal" #shocknawe
 
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http://inrng.com/2015/03/the-circ-report/

The Verdict

An expensive exercise in telling us what we knew? Yes. Pat McQuaid started an inquest and shut it down only for Brian Cookson to make it a solemn election pledge with beaucoup budget.

There's something CIRC-ular as old stories are repeated. If we knew the past was rotten now it's UCI-approved rather than the stuff of op-eds and online forums. It's one thing to read the UCI should have stopped Lance Armstrong in 1999 in a newspaper or on a blog, it's another when it's signed off in a formal report.

There's little that's juicy. Don't imagine a sizzling steak, the CIRC's meaty report is somewhere between well-done and carbonized. Rather than serving saucy info a lot of the report reheats old dishes and is peppered with footnotes from cyclingnews.com and other news sources as it builds the story of the UCI and anti-doping over the past 20 years, as if the commission spent weeks on the web to collate a pricey prcis of the past. Despite the CIRC lamenting loose financial controls we don't know what the CIRC's cost, reports say $3 million.

There are revelations here and there but the bulk is confirmation: the UCI wasn't bribed to cover-up positive tests but it ignored suspicious tests; on Lance Armstrong the governing body was too carried away with the marketing but the Texan wasn?t alone, other star riders got special treatment. If UCI's management wasn't financially corrupt it was managerially suspect with few checks and balances to stop abuses of power. As for today, the belief is doping continues whether it's gaming the bio passport, abusing TUEs and so on and change in recent years has largely come from teams, managers and riders pulling back from wild ways because it had become bad for business.

The recommendations are necessary but not sufficient. Public acknowledgement that some riders are gaming the bio passport is saying that some major riders are doping and will reignite suspicions. Meanwhile the CIRC has shone a spotlight on the peloton's hypochondria as some guzzle pills like force-fed geese but it's wrong, as is the abuse of TUEs. The UCI should adopt the MPCC's rest rule for those using cortisone, the one that stopped Chris Horner riding the 2014 Vuelta.

Closer to home, will Brian Cookson tackle Igor Makarov? The Russian sidestepped the CIRC and if he can't co-operate fully with the UCI's own report, will the rest of the management committee have faith in him?

Finally some will moan the report isn't racey enough but remember it was meant to look at the past, to investigate the causes of doping with a view to making recommendations for the future rather than tail and trail today's riders. Is there another sport that would have commissioned this, can you imagine tennis, athletics or soccer asking for a CIRC? Cycling was the first to see its stars perp-walked by police and rousted by reasoned decisions, now it's asking why it happened. Still the recommendations seem modest and vague, hardly a roaring chorus of reform. The past 20 years of cycling have been chaotic with a confused governing central but not causal to this. Now it's up to the UCI to shape the future of the sport. Time will tell if it's up to the job.
 
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Ufe @oufeh ? 16m 16 minutes ago

3 most important points in CIRC imho:
- riders microdose EPO and 150ml blood bag
- cortisone to lose weight
- Ferrari & Fuentes still active

hold the phone.
quite extensive mention also of AICAR in the report.
and it is not properly detectable yet.
 
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From BBC sport article
"A total of 174 anti-doping experts, officials, riders and other interested parties were interviewed. These are the main points:

•One "respected cycling professional" believes that 90% of the peloton is still doping, another put it at 20%
•Riders are micro-dosing, taking small but regular amounts of a banned substance, to fool the latest detection methods
•The abuse of Therapeutic Use Exemptions, sick notes, is commonplace, with one rider saying 90% of these are used to boost performance
•The use of weight-loss drugs, experimental medicine and powerful painkillers is widespread, leading to eating disorders, depression and even crashes
•With doping done now on a more conservative basis, other forms of cheating are on the rise, particularly related to bikes and equipment
•Doping in amateur cycling is endemic "
 
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SundayRider said:
From BBC sport article
"A total of 174 anti-doping experts, officials, riders and other interested parties were interviewed. These are the main points:

?One "respected cycling professional" believes that 90% of the peloton is still doping, another put it at 20%
?Riders are micro-dosing, taking small but regular amounts of a banned substance, to fool the latest detection methods
?The abuse of Therapeutic Use Exemptions, sick notes, is commonplace, with one rider saying 90% of these are used to boost performance
?The use of weight-loss drugs, experimental medicine and powerful painkillers is widespread, leading to eating disorders, depression and even crashes
?With doping done now on a more conservative basis, other forms of cheating are on the rise, particularly related to bikes and equipment
?Doping in amateur cycling is endemic "

true, the report puts motorization back on the map.
i seem to remember more than a handful of posters asking the "Ryder's motorized bike?" thread to be closed down, or calling it a baseless conspiracy theory.
shows how naive/gullible even many clinic posters still are.
 
sniper said:
true, the report puts motorization back on the map.
i seem to remember more than a handful of posters asking the "Ryder's motorized bike?" thread to be closed down, or calling it a baseless conspiracy theory.
shows how naive/gullible even many clinic posters still are.
You know there are other ways to cheat with equipment, right?

It was called a baseless conspiracy theory because it wasn't being based on much of anything, not because the premise was deemed unthinkable or impossible.
 
mrhender said:
I thought it could be useful to have a thread to gather and discuss reactions to the report.

The CIRC thread is good for discussing the content, so this is an attempt to discuss and address various opinions to the report.

It could be from riders, former riders, UCI, WADA, Teams, Media etc..

As an example we have David Millar:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...cognise-this-almost-tabloidesque-account.html

Intro:

Mealy-mouthed bull****. I have lost whatever respect I had for Millar after reading that.
 
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rhubroma said:
This is BS and a great dishonor to the race and to the fans.

Or he could actually have caught the flue like so many other Europeans. ;)

I haven't got a single doubt about his dodginess, but this is jumping to conclusions. I like speculation (so yes, this abandonment is very interesting), but screaming "disgrace!" out of the blue is imho only leading to disappointments if there's no further meat to the story.

Even the biggest doper can get ill.
 
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hrotha said:
You know there are other ways to cheat with equipment, right?
i think (thoug i should check) that the report makes explicit mention of motorized bikes.

It was called a baseless conspiracy theory because it wasn't being based on much of anything, not because the premise was deemed unthinkable or impossible.
much of the discussion was not about not whether that footage of Ryder was conclusive, but about whether motorization is actually happening at present. there were posters who dismissed that as nonsense.
 
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a good comment from a guy called 'Channel Zero' on Tilford's blog.

channel_zero
March 8, 2015 at 11:49 pm
Wow. You can?t even get through the first page of the report without laughing out loud at the lies.

There are a few bombs in there, but the language is softened quite a bit.

They confirm the UCI is hiding positives, and then mislead the reader claiming anti-doping is ?independent.? and influence over CADF?s anti-doping operations has ceased.

They also mention ?fiscal problems.? Which, is no surprise. They blacked out bits after this The Commission has noted the extensive use of cash, in particular for the reimbursement
of expenses for meetings. It is true that for the delegates of certain countries?
So, cash is very, very, very, very likely leaking out as an influence mechanism. $2 million CHF spent in two months. Hein?s Keirin bribe is probably quite small relative to the issues that lead them to note the problem.

They confirm the UCI has no interest in a meaningful anti-doping policy. And then later claim the UCI has fixed this, even though it?s an issue?? They culdn?t keep the lies straight.

They also confirm the UCI s passing around confidential documents to people who should not have them. That explains quite a bit, including how some riders seem blacklisted.

NIIICE!!! They explain how Makarov owns a block of votes at the Management committee level (I think??), when techincally he should not.

VeloNews to publish cycling is now clean, CIRC/Vrijman 2.0 proves it.
 
My regret for not speaking with CIRC is tinged by irony, because I am an ex-doper. For many I will always be a doper; which is true. I, like many others, have worked incredibly hard to create an anti-doping culture within cycling, and yet the CIRC report paints a picture of a new omerta and once again it?s the innocent and clean cyclists who are silent. I wish I could have given them a voice. - David Millar

But you didn't David...
 
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...and-down-uci-lance-armstrong?CMP=share_btn_tw

Cookson talking some of the report:

UCI president Brian Cookson calls on Hein Verbruggen to stand down

Cookson said: I am very concerned by what I read in the report about Hein's actions and I will write to him asking him to consider his position as honorary president. He added that in his view, Verbruggen had placed the business side of the sport above its integrity and made serious errors of judgment and wrong decisions. Verbruggen had the power to resign, said Cookson, and we will see what emerges.
 
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indeed..

looks to me like cookson is deflecting away from more urgent topics, like Sky > corticoids, TUEs, Zorzoli.
as long as he doesn't sack zorzoli, or address Froome's TUE in the context of the report, i won't take anything cookson says seriously
 
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Benotti69 said:
Why doesn't Cookson sack him?

I don't know..

Also I find it weird that this is what he had to say in his (maybe) first interview after release... I mean who cares about that damn honorary post?
The Gurardian apparently -but who else... It's just a symbolic comment as I see it.. A bit weakish...
 
Not really the "shock and awe" bombshell many were expecting.

Does anyone else think the only situation Armstrong gave evidence about in detail was the Vrijman Report? The rest of the items that pertain to him, like preferential treatment by the UCI, is nothing new.

No wonder his ban was not reduced.
 
mrhender said:
I don't know..

Also I find it weird that this is what he had to say in his (maybe) first interview after release... I mean who cares about that damn honorary post?
The Gurardian apparently -but who else... It's just a symbolic comment as I see it.. A bit weakish...

Does an honorary member still get copied on all the minutes & mails ?

If so, that's reason enough to seek his removal, as he would have access to information he absolutely shouldn't !