Remco Evenepoel

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He must be doing something wrong then this year because he was flying at the start of the year prior to his altitude camp while Catalunya (after his camp) was not so special? Or did the snow gave them some logistic issues on that island? Seixas had less issues with his Spanish deliveries while spending 2 months on top of the Sierra Nevada equally in a snow storm.

I am not giving too much credit to the altitude camp blood doping stories. I assume it's not part of RBHs training camp. It probably happens when riders are on their own or with just a few crooked people from the team involved.
 
Rob5091 said:
I think you might be right as there seems to be no other reason to spend 2 months on a mountain top (didn't he already get stuck up there in a snowstorm? The shares in Spanish hotels must be at all-time highs!)
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I guess they deleted our conversation from yesterday. I wasn't trying to be fastidious, just asking if altitude training is where the doping is done.
 
Andre said:
I guess they deleted our conversation from yesterday. I wasn't trying to be fastidious, just asking if altitude training is where the doping is done.
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I have been informed that it's best you have a look at the part of the forum where such matters can be discussed.
 
QueenStagiaire said:
Do you know what thread you are in? That‘s exactly what this is for
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I was passing on a more polite version of what I was told, but if you missed my now deleted post, no doping checks between Friday night and Monday morning in Spain, so join the dots.
 
Today they raided Pogacar & Vingegaard cause they had serious suspicions (or wanted to help Seixas).
Imagine Remco getting caught right after doing so well..
 
This was Remco's best performance ever but it was close to his 2024 peak performance considering the draft. I estimate that he did about 6.6 w/kg and Pogacar 6.8 w/kg. It was Pogacar's best performance this year but his 2024 Plateau de Beille result was much more 'alien'. Watts2win lists this result as Pogacar's 5th best performance ever.
 
In modern cycling, where everything is so meticulously calculated, Remco's case is striking. All year he's not even top5 climber (even top10 in some races) and yesterday he was the second strongest.

He was being beaten by Munton in the UAE Tour... In other races by Lenny Martinez and other riders. Now, the second best climber
 
Because we're all just speculating, let's speculate he did his second rest day blood bag a day early. Because this is Remco Evenepoel. He'll dominate the Tuesday ITT anyway. Solaison was 'the' danger day and he smashed it. Relative his real rivals especially (Seixas and Lipo destroyed).

Wait and see though. Maybe Lipo still has a bag and will deploy it tactically next week.
 
Coppi-Bartali said:
In modern cycling, where everything is so meticulously calculated, Remco's case is striking. All year he's not even top5 climber (even top10 in some races) and yesterday he was the second strongest.

He was being beaten by Munton in the UAE Tour... In other races by Lenny Martinez and other riders. Now, the second best climber
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Pogs cleanz or what do you think? Remco was +5kg heavier in the UAE, but of course it has no effect on climbing. His now found his 22 Vuelta and 24 Tour level, after some really bad crashes. And yes I believe his also now on the same sauce pog has been since 18/19, but I don't think they are yet on the genetic stuff pog&dracula&UAE have been cooking since 23/24 winter. That is why the level is not there all year round every terrain never having off days yet. You also have to remember that in general Remco was considered way more talented than pog or vingo, just like MVDP, WVA etc. where. Pog(vingo) is the outlier who became "goat"-level after hooking up with the goodfellas.

The whole comment coming from a pog fanboy is beyond absurd, when you look at the case of the historys biggest cheater. It is just fair and square if some start finally to catch up a bit, cause the UCI is certainly not doing anything.
 
Being a Remco fan I also must say that I was surprised by Remco's performance but much less so if I look closer. By not wanting to drop Del Toro, Pogacar delivered optimal pacing for Remco, who for once didn't look at his power meter. Remco's performance edges out his 2024 Plateu De Beille result but the conditions where ideal and he could sprint for the win instead of suffering alone to be third. Remco seems to be back in his 2024 shape but with an anaerobe final sprint in his legs, which he lacked previously and trained for. Pogacar still did 0.2-0.3 w/kg more due to almost no drafting. He also weights 5 kg more than Remco so physically after such an enduring stage he should have suffered more due to metabollic fatigue, especially in hot conditions. It's what gives Vingegaard a real physical edge but it doesn't apply to Pogacar apparantly.

I am not claiming Remco is clean. I think the rapid improvements we have seen in the peloton surpasses all training, fuelling and technollogy changes during the last 5 years. I do want to point out that there is still a huge unexplainable gap between Pogacar and the field.
 
peterfin said:
Being a Remco fan I also must say that I was surprised by Remco's performance but much less so if I look closer. By not wanting to drop Del Toro, Pogacar delivered optimal pacing for Remco, who for once didn't look at his power meter. Remco's performance edges out his 2024 Plateu De Beille result but the conditions where ideal and he could sprint for the win instead of suffering alone to be third. Remco seems to be back in his 2024 shape but with an anaerobe final sprint in his legs, which he lacked previously and trained for. Pogacar still did 0.2-0.3 w/kg more due to almost no drafting. He also weights 5 kg more than Remco so physically after such an enduring stage he should have suffered more due to metabollic fatigue, especially in hot conditions. It's what gives Vingegaard a real physical edge but it doesn't apply to Pogacar apparantly.

I am not claiming Remco is clean. I think the rapid improvements we have seen in the peloton surpasses all training, fuelling and technollogy changes during the last 5 years. I do want to point out that there is still a huge unexplainable gap between Pogacar and the field.
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RBH and Lidl have recruited their own experts from Visma so hoppfully ther will be a mord level field. I believe that Remcos long absence from competition was to fine tune the practice for him. I don’t mind as long as all teams has access to same practices and the racing are competitive. When UAE and Pogi has access to a superior program there is no fair competition.
 
Rackham said:
Because we're all just speculating, let's speculate he did his second rest day blood bag a day early. Because this is Remco Evenepoel. He'll dominate the Tuesday ITT anyway. Solaison was 'the' danger day and he smashed it. Relative his real rivals especially (Seixas and Lipo destroyed).

Wait and see though. Maybe Lipo still has a bag and will deploy it tactically next week.
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But Remco’s case is different. We’ve seen remarkable performances after rest days before, but Remco’s situation stands out because, for the rest of the year, he wasn't climbing well at all, yet now he’s outclimbing his rivals by a wide margin.

This isn't a case of a rider who was already at an elite level suddenly putting in a massive climbing performance; it involves someone who, in stage races throughout the year, didn't even crack the top5 among climbers,getting beaten by Lenny and even mediocre riders like Munton.

The kind of thing you’re mentioning—superlative performances after rest days, or surprise breakthroughs like Victor Lafay or Healy on Mont Ventoux last year—is something we see in every Tour. But Remco’s shift from barely being able to climb all year to becoming a podium favorite is truly striking in the modern era.

Nowadays, a Tour podium contender needs to show strong climbing level throughout the season, whereas we’re talking about a rider who, the rest of this season, was being dropped on climbs by third, or even fourth, tier riders in mountain.
 
Too much talk about 202x shape based on index numbers alone.

He was the 6th best climber until Plateau de Solaison, with the important note that 3 of the better climbers are younger than he is.

It was also a vastly different climb, PdS was super fresh, which generally really suits Evenepoel's climbing.
 
Red Rick said:
Too much talk about 202x shape based on index numbers alone.

He was the 6th best climber until Plateau de Solaison, with the important note that 3 of the better climbers are younger than he is.

It was also a vastly different climb, PdS was super fresh, which generally really suits Evenepoel's climbing.
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Plus no acceleration and constantly high tempo by the Pogre, which should suit him well.
 
Mayomaniac said:
Plus no acceleration and constantly high tempo by the Pogre, which should suit him well.
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I'm not sure the pace was that consistent, especially the steepest part before Pogacar started could've gone faster but I haven't looked at these numbers. It could've just been a temporary surge to drop the others.

It's a bit like Lo Port 2023 where I don't think the pacing was as great as it may have seemed and instead the conditions were just even better than people realized.
 
Red Rick said:
Too much talk about 202x shape based on index numbers alone.

He was the 6th best climber until Plateau de Solaison, with the important note that 3 of the better climbers are younger than he is.

It was also a vastly different climb, PdS was super fresh, which generally really suits Evenepoel's climbing.
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Performance must be measured season by season. A climb from two years ago doesn't define the current season. In sports—and especially in cycling—two years is a long time.

I don't remember the last time a rider who showed no climbing level during the season suddenly outperformed everyone in the mountains at the Tour. Wiggins?
In modern cycling it's curious, because nowadays their climbing level throughout the season has to be high to climb like that at the Tour.
 
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