Results of clean riders

[Amazinmets87]

I recall Tyler Hamilton stating he'd riden the '01 Tour de France and Tour de Suisse clean. Can anyone cite performances of other clean riders in major races, particularly post 1990?

 

[hrotha]

I wouldn't count that as "clean", just as "not glowing" - he still reaped the benefits of enhanced training. But Jörg Jaksche claimed not to have doped during the 2000 Tour de France.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Laurens Ten Dam, 8th Vuelta 2012, 9th Tour 2014

 

[Black Betsy]

3rd in Hout Var '99 ?

 

[lightclimber]

3rd in Haut Var '99 ?

Christophe Bassons also won stage 7 of the 1999 Criterium du Dauphine... directly ahead of Lance himself.

autobus link: www.cyclingnews.com presents the 51st Crit�rium du Dauphin� Lib�r� 1999

"Both Vinokourov and Bassons are part of a new generation of riders that provide a fresh image in the face of the doping scandals...."

 

[Sciatic]

I recall Tyler Hamilton stating he'd riden the '01 Tour de France and Tour de Suisse clean. Can anyone cite performances of other clean riders in major races, particularly post 1990?

I finally just got around to reading his book. My impression is that for all his ample admissions of doping & doping strategies, he’s still trying to create some doping denial in there.

 

[Aragon]

I recall Tyler Hamilton stating he'd riden the '01 Tour de France and Tour de Suisse clean. Can anyone cite performances of other clean riders in major races, particularly post 1990?

There is a passing reference in the book that the 2001 Tour de Suisse limited their pre-TDF EPO use. Ty likely didn't keep his Hct high during the Tour with microdosing / transfusions, but he somewhat boosted it before the Tour with EPO.

 

[Bolder]

If a rider says he raced clean, does that make it so?

 

[Cookster15]

If a rider says he raced clean, does that make it so?

Of course not but it makes sense. 2001 was shortly after the EPO test became available (prior to Sydney 2000 Olympics) but before doctors perfected transfusions followed by the biological passport around 2007/2008. Climbing times from that period took a dip. By 2004 we were back to 90s levels with transfusions, then carefully timed EPO micro-dosing to fool the BP.

 

[Cookster15]

I recall Tyler Hamilton stating he'd riden the '01 Tour de France and Tour de Suisse clean. Can anyone cite performances of other clean riders in major races, particularly post 1990?

Cadel Evans 2002 Giro? Most will say he rode with Mapei who were as dirty as they come but below is a great read on what happened in the 2002 Giro when an inexperienced Cadel took pink on stage 16 then cracked on the final mountain defending pink in stage 17.

https://www.ridemedia.com.au/past-issue/flashback-cadels-first-day-in-the-maglia-rosa-ride-17-2002/

 

[Amazinmets87]

Of course not but it makes sense. 2001 was shortly after the EPO test became available (prior to Sydney 2000 Olympics) but before doctors perfected transfusions followed by the biological passport around 2007/2008. Climbing times from that period took a dip. By 2004 we were back to 90s levels with transfusions, then carefully timed EPO micro-dosing to fool the BP.

Supposedly there was strife with Lance that led to his lack of access to doping products.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Of course not but it makes sense. 2001 was shortly after the EPO test became available (prior to Sydney 2000 Olympics) but before doctors perfected transfusions followed by the biological passport around 2007/2008. Climbing times from that period took a dip. By 2004 we were back to 90s levels with transfusions, then carefully timed EPO micro-dosing to fool the BP.

2001 was the strongest version of Armstrong, he was crushing mountains and TTs at the Tour gaining almost 7 minute advantage over in-form Ullrich. His time up the Alpe was 38' while going solo almost the whole climb at the end of a super hard Alpine stage ("the look" and super strong interval attack in the first kms, which actually could've worsened his potential climb time but surely hit Ullrich's mentality). Besides his 2 min advantage at the Alpe, he also crushed the rest in one Pyrenean epic stage and two TTs (flat and mountainous). I think that overall (mountains + TTs) it was the highest level ever seen at the Tour. Whatever was happening behind the scenes, Lance for sure still had an access to top-level doping.

 

[Cookster15]

2001 was the strongest version of Armstrong, he was crushing mountains and TTs at the Tour gaining almost 7 minute advantage over in-form Ullrich. His time up the Alpe was 38' while going solo almost the whole climb at the end of a super hard Alpine stage ("the look" and super strong interval attack in the first kms, which actually could've worsened his potential climb time but surely hit Ullrich's mentality). Besides his 2 min advantage at the Alpe, he also crushed the rest in one Pyrenean epic stage and two TTs (flat and mountainous). I think that overall (mountains + TTs) it was the highest level ever seen at the Tour. Whatever was happening behind the scenes, Lance for sure still had an access to top-level doping.

Ah yes thanks for this, not sure why I forgot but I think Lance and USPS were on a different level to everyone else in 2001.

The year after 2002 was also when I recall US Postal was at its most supreme with Lance's teammates pulling whilst rival climbers got shelled. But I also notice the 2002 PdB time was only the 28th fastest ascent - Pantani holds that record too followed by Contador and Russmusen (2007). Cadel who blew that day in 2007 still rode within 5 seconds of Lance's time:

New Top 100 Plateau de Beille: The 2015 champs in the first quarter

© Beardy McBeard 1. 1998: 43:20 Marco Pantani 21.88 km/h 2. 2007: 44:08 Alberto Contador 21.62 km/h 3. 2007: 44:08 Michael Rasm...

www.climbing-records.com

But in the early 2000's I suppose it was transfusions or testers looking the other way since the EPO test was supposed to be used by then.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Laurens Ten Dam, 8th Vuelta 2012, 9th Tour 2014

I never saw as him as the most dirty rider, but the fact that Thomas Dekker made it a thing in his book that Ten Dam never did anything made LTD a lot more suspicious to me.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I recall Tyler Hamilton stating he'd riden the '01 Tour de France and Tour de Suisse clean. Can anyone cite performances of other clean riders in major races, particularly post 1990?

He didn't say that he rode those races clean. He said he didn't do any blood transfusions that summer, because he had fallen out of Lance's inner circle and was not favoured by the team. At that point, only a select few top riders in the team did transfusion. Hence his lack of form compared to 2000 and 2002-03

He was still using testosterone, small amounts of epo and whatever other basic things US posting service had him on.