Riccò hospitalized for possible kidney ailment

[brianf7]

Riccò hospitalized for possible kidney ailment

Ricco with kidney failyour this is a common issue after epo use and abuse so why is it news at one time pro riders were droping dead after using epo.

you use the stuff then dont complain of its after effects.

 

[131313]

As safe as orange juice

I think I forgot the link, and someone deleted the thread.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ricco-hospitalized-for-possible-kidney-ailment

I can't really believe this is even being discussed in the main forum. When a like-long user of blood boosting products and methods develops issues with his kidneys before he's 30, there's no way to rationally discuss this without mentioning the "D" word.

I certainly wish the guy the best, and of course it's hard to speculate on the cause when you don't even know what exactly is wrong. Still, it's pretty hard not to think that a life of manipulating your blood isn't a contributory factor when kidneys are involved.

 

[pedaling squares]

Ricco with kidney failyour this is a common issue after epo use and abuse so why is it news at one time pro riders were droping dead after using epo.

Somewhere a former grade 5 English teacher is rolling over in his grave.

 

[hrotha]

Well, I haven't heard Riccò complaining.

The thing is, statistically many of these cases of health problems in young elite athletes will have been caused by doping, but you can't blame any specific individual case on it. There are too many variables to consider. It's idle speculation.

 

[scribe]

You think it's the Po?

 

[Ferminal]

Maybe he has naturally low kidney function?

 

[scribe]

Seriously, I'd quit cycling right now and go flip burgers with Landis. It's not worth it.

 

[Sanitiser]

Well most athletes don't think like that.

 

[131313]

Well, I haven't heard Riccò complaining.

The thing is, statistically many of these cases of health problems in young elite athletes will have been caused by doping, but you can't blame any specific individual case on it. There are too many variables to consider. It's idle speculation.

On a case-by-case basis, you're absolutely correct. On the aggregate though, it's very clear that long-term therapeutic use of blood-altering compounds has health risks.

For people in need of these drugs, the risk is worth it; for athletes, it's an unnecessary risk (and some/many of the same risks are likely to occur via transfusions). So when I read threads where people condone "a little bit of doping", I just have to roll my eyes. And unfortunately for Ricco, if the cause of his ailment *may* be doping related, he really has to be held up as an exemplar for the risks of doping. Sure, you don't know for sure, but if his kidneys aren't functioning properly, it wouldn't be a surprise if it were related to doping.

 

[samerics]

FFS, maybe it's just a kidney ailment???

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Is it potentially doping-related? Sure.

But it's news because it's a major health scare to somebody fairly big in the sport. Riccò may not be popular among many cycling fans but we're not so jaded as to be apathetic when a young, healthy man with a family's health is at major risk.

If the condition and ailment had been clear maybe it wouldn't have created such attention either, but because it wasn't we had conflicting reports ranging from 'out in a day, fever' to 'life-threatening', which leads to the inevitable scramble to find out what exactly is going on.

 

[ferryman]

Somewhere a former grade 5 English teacher is rolling over in his grave.

You are assuming English is the posters native tongue. And as we all know, never assume cos it only, makes an..

 

[Silver]

To be fair to Ferrari, that's not actually what he said.

Also, to be fair, Ferrari lies like a mother****ing rug in the question right before, where he says he doesn't prescribe it and it doesn't fundamentally change the performance of a racer.

Paging Mr. Hincapie to the white courtesy phone...

edit: Ah-thread got rolled in. I was speaking specifically to the epo is as safe as OJ quote.

 

[ferryman]

Is it potentially doping-related? Sure.

But it's news because it's a major health scare to somebody fairly big in the sport. Riccò may not be popular among many cycling fans but we're not so jaded as to be apathetic when a young, healthy man with a family's health is at major risk.

If the condition and ailment had been clear maybe it wouldn't have created such attention either, but because it wasn't we had conflicting reports ranging from 'out in a day, fever' to 'life-threatening', which leads to the inevitable scramble to find out what exactly is going on.

Nicely put. I have no time for Ricco the cyclist but regardless of the cause of his ailment I wish him a speedy recovery.

 

[joe_papp]

Hope he recovers quickly and doesn't suffer another episode of "apparent kidney failure" - after all, you only have one reserve unit.

Nicely put. I have no time for Ricco the cyclist but regardless of the cause of his ailment I wish him a speedy recovery.

Agreed (that he deserves to be treated like a human, with dignity and respect - more so when he's ill and dependent on others for care).

On a case-by-case basis, you're absolutely correct. On the aggregate though, it's very clear that long-term therapeutic use of blood-altering compounds has health risks... Sure, you don't know for sure, but if his kidneys aren't functioning properly, it wouldn't be a surprise if it were related to doping.

Oh to be able to know exactly to what degree ANY environmental factor contributed to the development of ANY condition...

 

[flicker]

Hope he recovers quickly and doesn't suffer another episode of "apparent kidney failure" - after all, you only have one reserve unit.



Agreed (that he deserves to be treated like a human, with dignity and respect - more so when he's ill and dependent on others for care).



Oh to be able to know exactly to what degree ANY environmental factor contributed to the development of ANY condition...

Yep ole Rick was probably overtraining and not drinking enough water and gater-aid.

 

[jimmypop]

Seriously, I'd quit cycling right now and go flip burgers with Landis. It's not worth it.

Clever, but you're not at the peak of your game. With more practice you'll have the subtle misdirection mastered.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Clever, but you're not at the peak of your game. With more practice you'll have the subtle misdirection mastered.

I bet he is not close enough to the top of the cycling game to where that decision would ever need to be made either.

 

[Merckx index]

Ricco with kidney failyour this is a common issue after epo use and abuse so why is it news at one time pro riders were droping dead after using epo.

you use the stuff then dont complain of its after effects.

I'm not aware that kidney failure is a side effect of EPO. On the contrary, EPO is indicated for people with kidney failure, because EPO is produced by the kidneys. People with kidney failure frequently suffer from anemia.

 

[FKLance]

Why this has not been noticed in testing, some values must have been off so that something like this could happen?

Epo does not cause this I believe, but other stuff they use could..

I think Vacansoleil and Ricco are hiding the fact that Ricco is in dialysis now.. Because that sounds way too suspect and serious, as they want to downplay and hide it all!

 

[flicker]

Why this has not been noticed in testing, some values must have been off so that something like this could happen?

Epo does not cause this I believe, but other stuff they use could..

I think Vacansoleil and Ricco are hiding the fact that Ricco is in dialysis now.. Because that sounds way too suspect and serious, as they want to downplay and hide it all!

Of course the dialysis will be hidden. Ricco is in serious trouble now and can jeprodise many others. Look at Contadors' positive he blew away Red Bull as a sponsor and killed Pegasus. No one wants that kind of fall-out better to shroud Ricco at this point, if he had only drunk more gater-aid.....

 

[Barrus]

Why this has not been noticed in testing, some values must have been off so that something like this could happen?

Epo does not cause this I believe, but other stuff they use could..

I think Vacansoleil and Ricco are hiding the fact that Ricco is in dialysis now.. Because that sounds way too suspect and serious, as they want to downplay and hide it all!

Firstly that would mean that it was necessary for him to have been tested while he has had the cause of the fever (As of yet the only thing that I found to have been coinfirmed was fever, so as of yet I will presume this is the case or that no more information is known), something which probably had not happened.

Also if he is in dialysis now, why would the team hold that back and hide it? What possible benefit would they have?

 

[Benotti69]

Firstly that would mean that it was necessary for him to have been tested while he has had the cause of the fever (As of yet the only thing that I found to have been coinfirmed was fever, so as of yet I will presume this is the case or that no more information is known), something which probably had not happened.

Also if he is in dialysis now, why would the team hold that back and hide it? What possible benefit would they have?

to keep sponsors in the dark that one of their top riders is not going to be racing for a while is one good reason. there may be other sponsors in the pipeline and not to scare them off.

 

[Barrus]

to keep sponsors in the dark that one of their top riders is not going to be racing for a while is one good reason. there may be other sponsors in the pipeline and not to scare them off.

Would there really already be more sponsors in the pipeline that would be scared off now, when, if it is kidney failure, most likely Ricco will have to announce that he will not ride within the forseeable future. I mean if it is kidney failure it will have to come out quite quickly in any case, so the sponsors would most likely come to know it within days or weeks. In this case if the team has lied against them and in public, would this not scare of the sponsors even more?

 

[TexPat]

You are assuming English is the posters native tongue. And as we all know, never assume cos it only, makes an..

Nah, ferryman is probably Welsh and has a love for the Y. Or maybe a scholar of ye olde English. Nevertheless, his point was made and understood despite the out-dated spellings and lack of punctuation.

Without making ye olde long jump to conclusions...perhaps il Signor Ricco simply has a congenital renal problem, which would be exacerbated by drug abuse no doubt.
What would truly make the story sad is if EPO usage, or any PED, were the cause.
Folks, this is one of the things that I firmly believe we've got to fix in sport---the perceived need to dope at all costs, because the consequences of abuse are severe and well-documented.