Russia unlikely to return by Rio ...

[TheSpud]

Apologies if posted elsewhere, but whoa - just whoa!

Now with link :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/35195248

 

[BullsFan22]

Apologies if posted elsewhere, but whoa - just whoa!

Now with link :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/35195248

Interesting. What about the US? How many track and field athletes, particularly sprinters, have been either caught and suspended and/or been implicated in scandals in the last 10-15 years? This link is a bit old, but fascinating nonetheless.

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/usoc-covered-up-over-100-positive-drug-tests-among-us-athletes-former-drug-czar-charges/

Not to mention those that have been protected by the USOC. Also, whatever happened to Alberto Salazar's group and the revelations that there was systematic doping going on there? That went away faster than you can say cheese. Mo Farah? Paula Radcliffe? GB winning a record amount of medals at their home games, aided by sports they had no business dominating? I guess the Russians were just made a scapegoat. It's easy to pin everything on the Russians. They are Russian. Politically speaking, this is a brilliant move.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re:

..........with respect ...everything is on the table re russia.........only other team getting even close is kenya

Mark L

That we know of or that is made public. That the authorities have the power to go against. Good luck trying to bust USATF. People like Carl Lewis still parading around. Good that Marion Jones was busted, as were scores of others (though not enough of them, it has to be said) but where is the suspension for the USATF? If they bust the Kenyans as well, will they be kicked out of Rio too? Jamaica? The 'non-compliant' countries, what will become of them in the near future? Sorry to make this USA/Russia battle, but this irks of political squabble. Expect Russia to be stripped of the 2018 World Cup, and definitely of the 2017 Confederation Cup.

 

[arcus]

The unique aspect about the Russian situation is the weight of evidence supporting allegations of official complicity.

Personally, for a country who behaved as Russia appears to have, I believe that a genuinely impactful sanction like missing the Olympics is justified. That said, my instinct is that it would be too politically loaded to ban them from the games. I suspect we'll see lots of posturing, but ultimately acquiescence, and their inclusion.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re:

The unique aspect about the Russian situation is the weight of evidence supporting allegations of official complicity.

Personally, for a country who behaved as Russia appears to have, I believe that a genuinely impactful sanction like missing the Olympics is justified. That said, my instinct is that it would be too politically loaded to ban them from the games. I suspect we'll see lots of posturing, but ultimately acquiescence, and their inclusion.

Bingo.

 

[The Hitch]

I would be happy if Russia miss because it will finally be an example of sport confronting a doping problem rather than hide it under the table.

But the whole - "everything is on the table re russia" argument stinks of - its ok to commit crimes so long as you don't get caught, logic

 

[thehog]

Re:

The unique aspect about the Russian situation is the weight of evidence supporting allegations of official complicity.

Personally, for a country who behaved as Russia appears to have, I believe that a genuinely impactful sanction like missing the Olympics is justified. That said, my instinct is that it would be too politically loaded to ban them from the games. I suspect we'll see lots of posturing, but ultimately acquiescence, and their inclusion.

Agreed, highly doubtful and what we see here is mere posturing. TV rights have been purchased, corporate boxes bought, yacht spaces on the bay reserved, parties already funded and organized. The Russians are not going anywhere as their money is way too important.

They'll be back by the world indoors in March. It will be pitched as a "trial run". Don't forget WADA still have one more report to release supposedly on the remaining corruption... no doubt it will be Kenya only.

Clean sweep of the medals table for the Brits come 2016, pun intended.

 

[MarkvW]

This is just the IOC's roundabout way of saying "Please give us more money."

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

The unique aspect about the Russian situation is the weight of evidence supporting allegations of official complicity.

Personally, for a country who behaved as Russia appears to have, I believe that a genuinely impactful sanction like missing the Olympics is justified. That said, my instinct is that it would be too politically loaded to ban them from the games. I suspect we'll see lots of posturing, but ultimately acquiescence, and their inclusion.

Agreed, highly doubtful and what we see here is mere posturing. TV rights have been purchased, corporate boxes bought, yacht spaces on the bay reserved, parties already funded and organized. The Russians are not going anywhere as their money is way too important.

They'll be back by the world indoors in March. It will be pitched as a "trial run". Don't forget WADA still have one more report to release supposedly on the remaining corruption... no doubt it will be Kenya only.

Clean sweep of the medals table for the Brits come 2016, pun intended.

good post Hog.

I especially liked the phrase on yacht spaces and the marina.

I think Packer and Mariah have booked out a marina and will set up a crown casino on the water. Monte Carlo? Monte Carlo got nuffin.

#MariahCareyftw
#MirandaKerrbackburner

 

[avanti]

Perhaps some Russian athletes will accept citizenship of other former Soviet Union countries in time for Rio.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

The unique aspect about the Russian situation is the weight of evidence supporting allegations of official complicity.

Personally, for a country who behaved as Russia appears to have, I believe that a genuinely impactful sanction like missing the Olympics is justified. That said, my instinct is that it would be too politically loaded to ban them from the games. I suspect we'll see lots of posturing, but ultimately acquiescence, and their inclusion.

Agreed, highly doubtful and what we see here is mere posturing. TV rights have been purchased, corporate boxes bought, yacht spaces on the bay reserved, parties already funded and organized. The Russians are not going anywhere as their money is way too important.

They'll be back by the world indoors in March. It will be pitched as a "trial run". Don't forget WADA still have one more report to release supposedly on the remaining corruption... no doubt it will be Kenya only.

Clean sweep of the medals table for the Brits come 2016, pun intended.

good post Hog.

I especially liked the phrase on yacht spaces and the marina.

I think Packer and Mariah have booked out a marina and will set up a crown casino on the water. Monte Carlo? Monte Carlo got nuffin.

#MariahCareyftw
#MirandaKerrbackburner

These non-public elected bodies throw out anti-doping messages now and then to placate and give the impression they take anti-doping seriously. Have to justify the public funds in some manner.

There is no way in hell Russia will miss the Olympics in athletics, no chance. It's simply not possible.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

The unique aspect about the Russian situation is the weight of evidence supporting allegations of official complicity.

Personally, for a country who behaved as Russia appears to have, I believe that a genuinely impactful sanction like missing the Olympics is justified. That said, my instinct is that it would be too politically loaded to ban them from the games. I suspect we'll see lots of posturing, but ultimately acquiescence, and their inclusion.

Agreed, highly doubtful and what we see here is mere posturing. TV rights have been purchased, corporate boxes bought, yacht spaces on the bay reserved, parties already funded and organized. The Russians are not going anywhere as their money is way too important.

They'll be back by the world indoors in March. It will be pitched as a "trial run". Don't forget WADA still have one more report to release supposedly on the remaining corruption... no doubt it will be Kenya only.

Clean sweep of the medals table for the Brits come 2016, pun intended.

good post Hog.

I especially liked the phrase on yacht spaces and the marina.

I think Packer and Mariah have booked out a marina and will set up a crown casino on the water. Monte Carlo? Monte Carlo got nuffin.

#MariahCareyftw
#MirandaKerrbackburner

These non-public elected bodies throw out anti-doping messages now and then to placate and give the impression they take anti-doping seriously. Have to justify the public funds in some manner.

There is no way in hell Russia will miss the Olympics in athletics, no chance. It's simply not possible.

but Moscow 1980 and 84 LA did happen in the wake of apogee cold waw power-politik

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

The unique aspect about the Russian situation is the weight of evidence supporting allegations of official complicity.

Personally, for a country who behaved as Russia appears to have, I believe that a genuinely impactful sanction like missing the Olympics is justified. That said, my instinct is that it would be too politically loaded to ban them from the games. I suspect we'll see lots of posturing, but ultimately acquiescence, and their inclusion.

Agreed, highly doubtful and what we see here is mere posturing. TV rights have been purchased, corporate boxes bought, yacht spaces on the bay reserved, parties already funded and organized. The Russians are not going anywhere as their money is way too important.

They'll be back by the world indoors in March. It will be pitched as a "trial run". Don't forget WADA still have one more report to release supposedly on the remaining corruption... no doubt it will be Kenya only.

Clean sweep of the medals table for the Brits come 2016, pun intended.

good post Hog.

I especially liked the phrase on yacht spaces and the marina.

I think Packer and Mariah have booked out a marina and will set up a crown casino on the water. Monte Carlo? Monte Carlo got nuffin.

#MariahCareyftw
#MirandaKerrbackburner

These non-public elected bodies throw out anti-doping messages now and then to placate and give the impression they take anti-doping seriously. Have to justify the public funds in some manner.

There is no way in hell Russia will miss the Olympics in athletics, no chance. It's simply not possible.

but Moscow 1980 and 84 LA did happen in the wake of apogee cold waw power-politik

Sure, that was pre-glasnost not pre-pretend-anti-doping.

 

[thehog]

Re:

....lot of background noise but little mention of other federations taking backhanders.....well? apart

from kenya...............

Mark L

As a hint;

If your country has its man as VP and now president, organises the Olympics, is paid by Nike and has own PR firm you kinda don't need to pay backhanders.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

....lot of background noise but little mention of other federations taking backhanders.....well? apart

from kenya...............

Mark L

As a hint;

If your country has its man as VP and now president, organises the Olympics, is paid by Nike and has own PR firm you kinda don't need to pay backhanders.

It goes double when said country also has someone in the joint role of VP of the IOC and the Head of WADA

Nothing lasting will come of this, think back to the Salt Lake City scandal

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

....lot of background noise but little mention of other federations taking backhanders.....well? apart

from kenya...............

Mark L

As a hint;

If your country has its man as VP and now president, organises the Olympics, is paid by Nike and has own PR firm you kinda don't need to pay backhanders.

It goes double when said country also has someone in the joint role of VP of the IOC and the Head of WADA

Nothing lasting will come of this, think back to the Salt Lake City scandal

That helps as well. The Brits have improved on the model. Why pay kickbacks when you can put your own guys into the power for a free run...

May cause a sales slow down for Sysmex but no money ever needs to change hands.

 

[whynotme101]

I think both kenya and russia will be there one way or another

 

[BullsFan22]

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I think both kenya and russia will be there one way or another

If the US and its long history of doping in this sport (and other sports) can be there time and time again, and winning medals and then having positive dope tests and suspensions (suspensions, most of the time, not all of the time) after the fact (Gatlin has failed how many tests and still able to compete???) then Kenya, Russia, Jamaica, Turkey, and everyone else should be allowed to compete. Either have a zero tolerance policy and punish everyone the same, or don't do anything at all. I don't want to sound like Mutko or Putin, but clearly, there are double standards at play here.

 

[whynotme101]

Re: Re:

I think both kenya and russia will be there one way or another

If the US and its long history of doping in this sport (and other sports) can be there time and time again, and winning medals and then having positive dope tests and suspensions (suspensions, most of the time, not all of the time) after the fact (Gatlin has failed how many tests and still able to compete???) then Kenya, Russia, Jamaica, Turkey, and everyone else should be allowed to compete. Either have a zero tolerance policy and punish everyone the same, or don't do anything at all. I don't want to sound like Mutko or Putin, but clearly, there are double standards at play here.

Yep for sure there should be clear rules - like 3 positives and you are out for the next olympics or something like that. Plus having countries do their own anti doping is clearly stupid.

 

[whynotme101]

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obviously.....if teams from nations with doping convictions were excluded how many would

make it to rio?......................those with hardly any athletes

i agree strict rules need to be implemented but the number needed to trip a complete ban

should be a proportion of athletes competing

Mark L

Yeah a proportion would make much more sense, you are correct.

 

[python]

you need to understand something very important bullsfan...the american dopers unlike those of vladimir are free people. in fact the freest of the free in the entire green word.

you can't deny the champions of freedom their right to be free to compete in the olympics. it's just the way it is

 

[whynotme101]

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you need to understand something very important bullsfan...the american dopers unlike those of vladimir are free people. in fact the freest of the free in the entire green word.

you can't deny the champions of freedom their right to be free to compete in the olympics. it's just the way it is

'murica, *** yeah!

 

[python]

Re: free

you need to understand something very important bullsfan...the american dopers unlike those of vladimir are free people. in fact the freest of the free in the entire green word.

enjoy your freedom.............you're free to spurt any ol' crap

rules must be applied freely...............if russia are banned then any other nation

doing similar should also be banned

Mark L

it sounds like you want the champions of freedom, the inventors of light and the slayers of the forces of darkness...you want them denied the olympic, dude

learn to recognize irony man, if not through an obvious hyperbola, than when it was peppered by emoticons.

you are forgiven

 

[BullsFan22]

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you need to understand something very important bullsfan...the american dopers unlike those of vladimir are free people. in fact the freest of the free in the entire green word.

you can't deny the champions of freedom their right to be free to compete in the olympics. it's just the way it is

I thought freedom is strictly Scottish and Mel Gibson?!?

FREEEEEEEEDDDDDOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!