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the sceptic

the sceptic

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I think this needs its own thread, so it doesnt get buried in the sky thread.

please correct me if this summary is wrong, its hard to keep up.

-in october, he did an OOC test that showed "anomalous values"
-sky remove Henao from racing after their experts latest monthly review (why did it take them so long?)
-gazetta reports the story after talking to his agent
-sky claim they notified the UCI after the tour of Oman
-UCI claim they got notified a few days ago
-Brailsford knows little about what living/training at altitude does to the body
 
the sceptic

the sceptic

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ebandit said:
that's better............in the sky thread members will think that team sky are behind one of their riders choosing to dope

Mark L
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Do not be alarmed, Mark L. A cycling team would never want any of their riders to dope.

Until we get more information, its hard to know what has happened here.

He could have been doping on his own, or under the guidance of sky. Or maybe he wasnt doping at all.

But all this secrecy and lack of transparency doesnt reflect well on sky.
 
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ScienceIsCool

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the sceptic said:
I think this needs its own thread, so it doesnt get buried in the sky thread.

please correct me if this summary is wrong, its hard to keep up.

-in october, he did an OOC test that showed "anomalous values"
-sky remove Henao from racing after their experts latest monthly review (why did it take them so long?)
-gazetta reports the story after talking to his agent
-sky claim they notified the UCI after the tour of Oman
-UCI claim they got notified a few days ago
-Brailsford knows little about what living/training at altitude does to the body
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Insert into that timeline the press release from Sky saying they've benched Henao at the exact moment he is on his bike in the Nokere Koerse...

So you have:

- OOC test
- Anomalous results <according to whom?>
- Sky reports to UCI <exactly when is in doubt>
- Sky waits until Gazetta learns of these facts before simultaneously (within minutes or hours of each other) benching Henao and releasing a statement to the press.

Basically nothing happens (communication to public or benching Henao) until Gazetta catches wind. To me that screams management in crisis. Cover-up. The opposite of transparency.

John Swanson

So you can just disregard this post due to my own idiocy. The Henao in Nokere Koerse was his cousin. I'll leave the original text as a monument to my stupidity.
 
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del1962

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ScienceIsCool said:
Insert into that timeline the press release from Sky saying they've benched Henao at the exact moment he is on his bike in the Nokere Koerse...

So you have:

- OOC test
- Anomalous results <according to whom?>
- Sky reports to UCI <exactly when is in doubt>
- Sky waits until Gazetta learns of these facts before simultaneously (within minutes or hours of each other) benching Henao and releasing a statement to the press.

Basically nothing happens (communication to public or benching Henao) until Gazetta catches wind. To me that screams management in crisis. Cover-up. The opposite of transparency.

John Swanson
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Think you are confusing him with his brother who raced Nokere Koerse
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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So it's Rob Hayles all over again?

A rider with years of racing experience and presence in the peloton does not have a high Hct exemption despite a "natural" high Hct.
 
Race Radio

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Dear Wiggo said:
So it's Rob Hayles all over again?

A rider with years of racing experience and presence in the peloton does not have a high Hct exemption despite a "natural" high Hct.
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And his ProTour team, that brags about how they focus on detail, does not know about it?

The whole thing is just so odd. Either he has a legit biological issue or he has been doping since he was a teenager......either way Sky was not aware? How could they not know? If he has a biological issue then his sea level Hct is 47+. How is it Sky would not know this?

Odd, just odd.
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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A lot of the non-team releases mentioned Henao heading home in October, but the Sky team release says the testing was introduced in Winter - far more open.

Many people are suggesting the test occurred in October, however Fran on twitter today was telling someone that's wrong.

I rechecked the Team Sky release and there's no direct mention of when the test occurred, however the facts are he raced this year, in February, before being benched.

The monthly profile(s) check was the most recent one.

Bottom line - Henao was / appeared to be benched, but the team press release only occurred after Henao's agent spoke to Gazetta, who then got in touch with Sky for confirmation. One would suppose no Team Sky release would have been made if it were not for the agent's actions.
 
BYOP88

BYOP88

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Dear Wiggo said:
A lot of the non-team releases mentioned Henao heading home in October, but the Sky team release says the testing was introduced in Winter - far more open.

Many people are suggesting the test occurred in October, however Fran on twitter today was telling someone that's wrong.

I rechecked the Team Sky release and there's no direct mention of when the test occurred, however the facts are he raced this year, in February, before being benched.

The monthly profile(s) check was the most recent one.

Bottom line - Henao was / appeared to be benched, but the team press release only occurred after Henao's agent spoke to Gazetta, who then got in touch with Sky for confirmation. One would suppose no Team Sky release would have been made if it were not for the agent's actions.
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Good post. Seems the attention to detail that Sky use is on vacation at the moment! Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.

Has someone saved those tweets, just incase they go MIA in the future.
 
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neineinei

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del1962 said:
The month of the test is not totally clear, the statement says after he returned to Colombia in October.
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Fran Millar has been pointing out on Twitter that the statement doesn't say the test was done in October. And that people who claims that have their "facts" wrong. So probably any other month than October, although she doesn't really say that it wasn't from October.

And the statement uses plural, tests. So maybe one of the tests was taken in October, another in say, December or January?

Over at velorooms forum they think it might be related to the new Steroidal Modules of the ABP. That it should be an Haematological issue is too bevildering. Didn't Sky and/or UCI test him at altitude before?? But what has altitude to do with steroridal issues?
 
thehog

thehog

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neineinei said:
Fran Millar has been pointing out on Twitter that the statement doesn't say the test was done in October. And that people who claims that have their "facts" wrong. So probably any other month than October, although she doesn't really say that it wasn't from October.

And the statement uses plural, tests. So maybe one of the tests was taken in October, another in say, December or January?

Over at velorooms forum they think it might be related to the new Steroidal Modules of the ABP. That it should be an Haematological issue is too bevildering. Didn't Sky and/or UCI test him at altitude before?? But what has altitude to do with steroridal issues?
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Then why doesn't she tell when the test was and end the speculation. Just say what it is.
 
BYOP88

BYOP88

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We don't need 'independent' reports for Sky. We just need Brailsford to look Henao in the eyes and ask him if he doped. Brailsford is great at this.
 
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Is this not what most people would want?
A pro team monitoring it's cyclists, and suspending them if there is something suspicious there?
After all, doping is not always black and white.
The bio passport needs careful interpretation.
Teams should have lower proof thresholds than the uci, who needs more to make it stick.
Having said all that, the bit that interests me is the focus on the athlete who comes from and lives in altitude......
Sounds like froome?
 
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thehog said:
Then why doesn't she tell when the test was and end the speculation. Just say what it is.
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My theory - she can't

Something in the tests have looked very odd to WADA. Sky have reviewed the tests and agreed it looks odd. Sky approach the UCI who don't want to get involved other than being supportive of the decision to bench Henao

They need to get to the bottom of how Henao's ethnicity has effected the data. In the meantime they can't have Sky going public with the nature of the test and the results as it could undermine their new test.
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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If it is doping, what does that say about the paper all Sky riders sign to say they have not and do not dope?
 
Race Radio

Race Radio

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neineinei said:
Over at velorooms forum they think it might be related to the new Steroidal Modules of the ABP. That it should be an Haematological issue is too bevildering. Didn't Sky and/or UCI test him at altitude before?? But what has altitude to do with steroridal issues?
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I think there is a lot of validity to this possibility. Might not be Hct at all.
 
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