Shane Warne v cyclists

[craig1985]

Here you go:

http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2012/01/cyclist-versus-warnie-the-cyclists-story/

 

[stefank]

He's certainly a great cricketer, but seems singularly unimpressive in most other aspects of life.

 

[craig1985]

TBF scoring with Liz Hurley isn't that bad

 

[Martin318is]

I used to live around the corner from Warne in Brighton, Victoria (his family still live there) and had seen him driving around the area whilst using his mobile numerous times.

Obviously his idea of having registration plates - so rules breaches can be reported - only works for bikes in his world. If it were two way then surely he would expect me to ring the police and report him every time I saw him do it?

 

[auscyclefan94]

It is hard to really stick up for either side imo. I think in general that some cyclists annd some motorists are to blame and they cause the stereotypes. Hard to make a judgement on what has ahappened considering it is Warne's word against mystery cyclist but Derry Hinch is actually speaking to the cyclist on 3AW very soon.

 

[Stingray34]

Supposing Warne's version is completely correct and an accurate reflection of what happened, he admits trying to swerve around the cyclist but failing, hitting the cyclist's rear wheel in the process. Warne, as a motorist in a 1000kg+ vehicle has a duty of care to not hit another road user, especially one as vulnerable as a cyclist.

Maybe he could argue his super-tight facelift has distorted his vision?

 

[Polyarmour]

Even if Warnie's version is correct, he admits to hitting the bike then driving off without exchanging names and addresses. Hit and Run. That should be the best outcome for Warne. I hope they throw the book at the conceited pr**k.

 

[woodie]

What annoys me the most is i'm sure this happens all the time yet Warnie is involved, kicks up a stink, and all of a sudden it's national news and everyone wants cyclists to pay registration, which is not plausible at all. Warnie is an arrogant conceited loser.

That's my rant done

 

[stefank]

This is nice:

http://www.bridie.com.au/component/content/article/53-warnie-not-the-role-model-we-paid-for

 

[Tuarts]

He was always an indictment on Australian culture that for some reason continues to worship their idols no matter what they do and doesn't he have a long list? Match-fixing, doping, adultery but hey he can spin a ball so what were those things I just said?

 

[briztoon]

Just to put this incident in to context. The incident happened at about 5:50pm on Tuesday the 17th of January.

Since Friday the 13th of January, Warne has been running a personal campaign via his twitter account for the road rules to be changed in regards to cyclists and for cyclist to have to pay a registration fee.

http://twitter.com/#!/warne888/status/157734865700270081

So accident or premeditated?

The cyclists story.
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2012/01/cyclist-versus-warnie-the-cyclists-story/

Most of the media are focussing on Warnes call for registration, rather than the actual incident, and are pushing an anti cycling agenda.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/warne-cyclist-left-in-a-spin-20120118-1q6l4.html

Vic police first statement said something along the lines "it was such a minor incident that it won't be followed up or any charges laid". Now they're saying they recommend civil action, but for which party?

As far as I'm concerned Warnes action were premeditated. He should be charged for hit and run at the minimum.

 

[oncehadhair]

Warne was a ****er on the field and a ****er off the field. For some unknown reason could bowl. If he didn't have that he would just be another fat, balding yob. It is a sad reflection of our society that many are so shallow they can't see the anti role model he is.

 

[greenedge]

He is a great cricketer but he is being a bit vehement here when he has no right to be. Isn't it enough that he already has millions and Hurley???

 

[craig1985]

One thing people need to realise is that bag cyclists for not riding in the bicycle lanes, but there are potholes and debris in them. On Wednesday we have a rolling hills group ride, and on descent where you will do over 60km/h, there are bicycle lanes but in several spots there are some deep potholes which would do a lot of damage to you and your bike even if you weren't descending. So you have no choice but to ride in the actual car lane, fortunately it isn't busy early in the morning, but I always check to see if a car is coming from behind. The same thing also applies to where there are car doors, I've hit by one car door and it isn't happening again to me so I will avoid them and if it means it holds motorists up for 5 seconds then so be it. I know it sounds selfish, but are they going to stop and help me, pay for my repairs for my bike, ring my boss and tell them why I can't go to work etc.?

 

[auscyclefan94]

He is a great cricketer but he is being a bit vehement here when he has no right to be. Isn't it enough that he already has millions and Hurley???

I don't see how his money has anything to do with. I guess he isn't allowed to voice an opinion about anything because he has fame, money and women.

Warne was a ****er on the field and a ****er off the field. For some unknown reason could bowl. If he didn't have that he would just be another fat, balding yob. It is a sad reflection of our society that many are so shallow they can't see the anti role model he is.

Why does he have to be a role model? He doesn't have to be accountable to me or you or anyone else.

Just to put this incident in to context. The incident happened at about 5:50pm on Tuesday the 17th of January.

Since Friday the 13th of January, Warne has been running a personal campaign via his twitter account for the road rules to be changed in regards to cyclists and for cyclist to have to pay a registration fee.

http://twitter.com/#!/warne888/status/157734865700270081

So accident or premeditated?

The cyclists story.
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2012/01/cyclist-versus-warnie-the-cyclists-story/

Most of the media are focussing on Warnes call for registration, rather than the actual incident, and are pushing an anti cycling agenda.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/warne-cyclist-left-in-a-spin-20120118-1q6l4.html

Vic police first statement said something along the lines "it was such a minor incident that it won't be followed up or any charges laid". Now they're saying they recommend civil action, but for which party?

As far as I'm concerned Warnes action were premeditated. He should be charged for hit and run at the minimum.

Yes I do find the dates of tweet rather ambigious which makes me less trusting of Warne's story but I hardly think that the media are running an 'anti cyclist campaign'. Watching the news and media sources I think Cycling groups were given a very big voice in this debate.

An actual registration plate as such I don't think is practical but cyclists lack accountability on the road simply because they can not be identified or tracked down unlike a car.

Ultimately it is his word against the cyclist's so I think some of the insults and accusations towards Warne are rather juvenile and uncalled for.

 

[Llewellyn]

Just how big would a bicycle registration plate need to be? If it was something about the size of the numbers they use in the TDF then they would be virtually useless for ID'ing a cyclist.

If it was the size of a car number plate then there wouldn't be anywhere to put it on a bike

 

[stefank]

Why does he have to be a role model? He doesn't have to be accountable to me or you or anyone else.

He's the one (initially) coming out making accusations. His own house should be in order first!

 

[Martin318is]

Just how big would a bicycle registration plate need to be? If it was something about the size of the numbers they use in the TDF then they would be virtually useless for ID'ing a cyclist.

If it was the size of a car number plate then there wouldn't be anywhere to put it on a bike

exactly - and even then, what do people expect they will be able to do with the ID? call the police and dob a cyclist in for something?

Guess what will happen. They will be totally ignored. Just like they would be for saying, "the guy in that Audi over there was using his mobile phon 2 minutes ago" the police will do nothing to pursue it because there is no evidence and in the greater scheme of things it is pointless.

This is a city where the law CLEARLY states any instance of car-dooring is always the fault of the driver AND that there is a clear penalty that should always be applied - and yet, even though doorings are the biggest cause of cyclists injuries in Melbourne, nobody knows a driver who has even received the minimum fine. Last year a cyclist was killed when the door knocked him under the wheels of a passing truck alnd the driver didnt even get a warning.

Contrary to ACF's comments above, the media have NOT been supporting both sides of the discussion. In fact up until this afternoon when it became public knowledge that the cyclist's story was not only believeable but had been supported by indpendant witness, the clear emphasis was that cyclists dont belong on the road.

Tomorrow however a number of articles will apparently be published that will hopefully start to swing things properly into a balanced point of view - that the roads need to be shared with tolerance on both sides until such time as infrastructure exists to safely seperate the two forms of transport, if that is ever possible.

 

[Cobber]

Tomorrow however a number of articles will apparently be published that will hopefully start to swing things properly into a balanced point of view - that the roads need to be shared with tolerance on both sides until such time as infrastructure exists to safely seperate the two forms of transport, if that is ever possible.

Hopefully an improvement over this.....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion...e-out-of-control/story-e6frfhqf-1226247829128

We are sick of the dangerous fiction that the road is there to share. In fact, the road is there for cars. Bicycles are there under sufferance.

 

[Spare Tyre]

I liked Bridie O'Donnell's response to the Warnie beat-up (link posted by someone upthread, maybe Stefank).

If it didn't have the potential for serious consequences the 'cyclists are irresponsible' crowd would be laughable. A particular cyclist breaks a law or does something a driver resents and somehow it reflects badly on all cyclists. A particular driver breaks a law or does something another driver resents and it is perceived as being the behaviour of that individual driver, rather than reflecting on all drivers.

 

[daveinzambia]

One thing people need to realise is that bag cyclists for not riding in the bicycle lanes, but there are potholes and debris in them. On Wednesday we have a rolling hills group ride, and on descent where you will do over 60km/h, there are bicycle lanes but in several spots there are some deep potholes which would do a lot of damage to you and your bike even if you weren't descending. So you have no choice but to ride in the actual car lane, fortunately it isn't busy early in the morning, but I always check to see if a car is coming from behind. The same thing also applies to where there are car doors, I've hit by one car door and it isn't happening again to me so I will avoid them and if it means it holds motorists up for 5 seconds then so be it. I know it sounds selfish, but are they going to stop and help me, pay for my repairs for my bike, ring my boss and tell them why I can't go to work etc.?

yeah i love the fact that i get cars beep at me when i move into the car lane because someone has parked their 4 wheel drive across the bike lane. Were am i meant to go?

 

[daveinzambia]

Hopefully an improvement over this.....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion...e-out-of-control/story-e6frfhqf-1226247829128

Amazed how often peoples arguments are ruined when they included phrases like cycling is the new Golf and why do they wear lycra. immediately shows the argument is in no way based on sensible road logic and is petty and pathetic.

also love the argument that empty bike lanes clog the city. How does this work, so if we remove that small area next to the parked cars we can fit 2 new car lanes in. of course not. and they do not get the irony of the fact that if they got out of their cars and on bikes, the bike lane would be full and the car lane would be empty. so you should be encouraging people to ride bikes.

do this people really not think about what they say? in reality these people write this stuff, and include the same cliches in each article (look at the articles written on this in the last few years and they are pretty much the same word for word) because they know it will get attention, know it will get lots of comments and that is all they care about.

 

[elapid]

The driver behind Warnie has come forward and stated for the record that the cyclist was not holding on to Warnie's car (he did prop himself up on his car as he was trying to get through a tight spot) and that Warnie unintentionally hit the cyclist the first time and then intentionally hit him the second time and then drove off as a hit and run. Story here in The Age: http://theage.drive.com.au/witness-says-warne-hit-cyclist-20120119-1q8g1.html

 

[Martin318is]

Cue the Herald Sun article that acuses the car driver of being a closet cyclist lying to hurt 'our Warnie'.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Cue the Herald Sun article that acuses the car driver of being a closet cyclist lying to hurt 'our Warnie'.

Yes and cue the murdoch, news limited, left wing hating conspircacies. Some of you lefties are unbelievable of what you accuse the Herald Sun considering The Age is no better.

Contrary to ACF's comments above, the media have NOT been supporting both sides of the discussion. In fact up until this afternoon when it became public knowledge that the cyclist's story was not only believeable but had been supported by indpendant witness, the clear emphasis was that cyclists dont belong on the road.

Tomorrow however a number of articles will apparently be published that will hopefully start to swing things properly into a balanced point of view - that the roads need to be shared with tolerance on both sides until such time as infrastructure exists to safely seperate the two forms of transport, if that is ever possible.

It has been fair. They spoke to plenty of cyclists and cycling groups on Channel 9 & 7 news. COverage on The Herald Sun quoted CYcling groups as well and certainly gave them equal representation. I do not know where you get that there was a "clear emphasis was that cyclists dont belong on the road" in the media. Some cyclists really are victims all the time and don't seem to be able to accept blame. Each side has bad drivers and bad cyclists butit seems that many on both sides say the other one is copmletely at fault. And before you ask yes I have been hit by a car on the road before where the driver drove off with no regard for my welfare so yes I have been a victim of such incidents.