should motorhomes be banned from hotel parking lots?

[the sceptic]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/sky-under-fire-for-hogging-tour-de-france-hotel-car-parks-182242

Team Sky’s fleet of vehicles block hotel parking lots and is disrespectful, say some rival Tour de France teams. Its addition of motorhomes, for staff, plus a new kitchen truck pushed the envelope. Manager Marc Madiot of rival team FDJ said that Chris Froome’s team “lacks basic etiquette”.

The extra vehicles are too much for some, however. In the last few days, teams Europcar and LottoNL-Jumbo complained that they did not have enough space to park their vehicles when sharing hotels with Sky. French paper L’Equipe ran a spread on the issue in Monday’s edition.

“It’s really not easy with all the additional vehicles from team Sky,” LottoNL sports director, Frans Maassen told Het Nieuwsblad newspaper.

“We slept the previous night together in the same Mercure in Lisieux. Sky had three mega-campers. They had them parked long before even one car or truck of ours had arrived. It does not work, of course. ”

Madiot told L’Equipe that Sky needs to have “some basic etiquette” when considering motorhomes and trucks.

 

[Metabolol]

So park a car at the hotel a couple of days in advance.

 

[BrentonOfTheNorth]

Yes, laws need to be passed to regulate the way that hotels use their own private parking lots. It's not like the hotel has the incentive and ability to take care of this themselves. Perhaps there should be a law banning my roommate from parking in my favorite spot in our driveway too!

 

[ILovecycling]

great article sceptic

 

[the sceptic]

Re:

Yes, laws need to be passed to regulate the way that hotels use their own private parking lots. It's not like the hotel has the incentive and ability to take care of this themselves. Perhaps there should be a law banning my roommate from parking in my favorite spot in our driveway too!

doesn't seem fair to me that the teams with the best resources can hog the parking lot to themselves with all their fancy campervans.

 

[MatParker117]

“Lotto arrived at the same time as our guys in the hotel and they had the choice of where to park and everyone agreed that they have that area and we had an area over there. Everyone was happy, ‘Yes, how are you doing, Dave? Everything’s all right?’

“And then you read in the newspaper that they are having a moan,” Brailsford said this afternoon after a press conference with Froome.

“It makes it difficult to work with people like that. I don’t have respect for that, my philosophy is to take the problem to the person, I wouldn’t smile in your face and then talk about it in the press. I don’t have much respect for that really.”

Hire a logistics manager instead of well....:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPhaqg3h1kg

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Yes, laws need to be passed to regulate the way that hotels use their own private parking lots. It's not like the hotel has the incentive and ability to take care of this themselves. Perhaps there should be a law banning my roommate from parking in my favorite spot in our driveway too!

doesn't seem fair to me that the teams with the best resources can hog the parking lot to themselves with all their fancy campervans.

That's life. And cycling.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

I bet the riders are sleeping in them too!!

 

[damian13ster]

Rest day at its finest

Odds on sceptic opening up a thread on 2nd rested titled 'Sky's DS sneezed near a competition increasing a chance of illness, should the team be banned for sabotage?'

 

[BigMac]

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks the Sky attitude is arrogant, disrespectful and haughty. So I'll have to disagree with you there KB. It may be life, but that doesn't make it right. It only proves that everybody is keen on accepting this sort of logistical bullying

 

[King Boonen]

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Surely I can't be the only one who thinks the Sky attitude is arrogant, disrespectful and haughty. So I'll have to disagree with you there KB. It may be life, but that doesn't make it right. It only proves that everybody is keen on accepting this sort of logistical bullying

I think the same, but again, that's life and pro sport. It's naive to think anything else I would say. Money makes the world go round.

 

[the sceptic]

Re: Re:

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks the Sky attitude is arrogant, disrespectful and haughty. So I'll have to disagree with you there KB. It may be life, but that doesn't make it right. It only proves that everybody is keen on accepting this sort of logistical bullying

I think the same, but again, that's life and pro sport. It's naive to think anything else I would say. Money makes the world go round.

of course, but that doesn't mean it's right.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks the Sky attitude is arrogant, disrespectful and haughty. So I'll have to disagree with you there KB. It may be life, but that doesn't make it right. It only proves that everybody is keen on accepting this sort of logistical bullying

I think the same, but again, that's life and pro sport. It's naive to think anything else I would say. Money makes the world go round.

of course, but that doesn't mean it's right.

Of course not, it also doesn't mean it's wrong. It is what it is, Madiot and NL-Jumbo have every right to moan and Sky have every right to do it.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Sky were one of the last teams to start using a mobile kitchen.

Lotto's compliant boils down to the equivalent of someone complaining about the Germans laying towels down on the sun loungers by the pool.

That said I see the race support convoy becoming limited at somepoint by the UCI

 

[Jagartrott]

Other teams finding themselves blocked should just 'accidentally' block the Sky-trucks in return.

 

[Vasilis]

Re:

Other teams finding themselves blocked should just 'accidentally' block the Sky-trucks in return.

Or arrive earlier. The fact Sky have many vehicles makes it inconvenient for other teams when they arrive later than Sky, but regardless of the amount of vehicles, whoever comes first gets to pick their spots first.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Re: Re:

Yes, laws need to be passed to regulate the way that hotels use their own private parking lots. It's not like the hotel has the incentive and ability to take care of this themselves. Perhaps there should be a law banning my roommate from parking in my favorite spot in our driveway too!

doesn't seem fair to me that the teams with the best resources can hog the parking lot to themselves with all their fancy campervans.

That's life. And cycling.

Indeed, Look at sport as a whole, the teams/individuals with the most money always seem to have one over on the poorer guy.

As far as I know the car park isn't exactly reserved so if they arrived earlier they would get a space. They should stop hating and get organised, disorganisation is a real pet hate of mine.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Next they will complain Froome was in the wind tunnel so long they need to use the wind tunnel too.

Then it will be bathrooms. How can I shower when Porte uses up all the hot water?

Why is Peter Kennaugh allowed to date two women when I cant even get one?

As usual PCN trendies stick to their code of conduct: if you arent swarthy you arent worthy.

 

[TMP402]

Re:

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks the Sky attitude is arrogant, disrespectful and haughty. So I'll have to disagree with you there KB. It may be life, but that doesn't make it right. It only proves that everybody is keen on accepting this sort of logistical bullying

Are there any specific examples of them being objectively "arrogant" or "disrespectful" towards others? It seems to me this comes down to "the rich guy with the sports car took the space in the community parking lot". Sky are rich, it would be a bizarre self-denial for them not to take advantage of this by using the latest technology. As for parking there first, that sounds like luck.

Edit: I should point out I sympathise with people saying Sky have an unfair advantage, but why would one of the richest teams volunteer to live like Europcar?

 

[BigMac]

Re: Re:

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks the Sky attitude is arrogant, disrespectful and haughty. So I'll have to disagree with you there KB. It may be life, but that doesn't make it right. It only proves that everybody is keen on accepting this sort of logistical bullying

Are there any specific examples of them being objectively "arrogant" or "disrespectful" towards others? It seems to me this comes down to "the rich guy with the sports car took the space in the community parking lot". Sky are rich, it would be a bizarre self-denial for them not to take advantage of this by using the latest technology. As for parking there first, that sounds like luck.

Edit: I should point out I sympathise with people saying Sky have an unfair advantage, but why would one of the richest teams volunteer to live like Europcar?

It's not really about them being rish or not, nor is it about parking there first. It's about knowingly taking a huge amount of parking space with a caravane of superficial logistics, with disdain and indifference towards the basic needs of other teams, which they are interfering with. Lack of elementary social competencies and ruthless egoism. I really couldn't care less about their money, but in any other similar situation of our daily lives we would protest these attitudes.

As classless as Jorge Jesus waving his three fingers at Tim Sherwood.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

It's not really about them being rish or not, nor is it about parking there first. It's about knowingly taking a huge amount of parking space with a caravane of superficial logistics, with disdain and indifference towards the basic needs of other teams, which they are interfering with. Lack of elementary social competencies and ruthless egoism. I really couldn't care less about their money, but in any other similar situation of our daily lives we would protest these attitudes.

As classless as Jorge Jesus waving his three fingers at Tim Sherwood.

you're showing your own biases here fella. Sky currently hold the Yellow Jersey. I'm pretty sure they don't see any part of what has gone into that as superficial.

 

[S2Sturges]

I just read a article in the Sydney Herald about Froome's data being hacked but there was also mention of " Monday's edition of L'Equipe featured a mischievous story about Sky's cavalcade of vehicles at this year's race, which includes "un mega Pullman-restaurant" and "trois immenses motorhomes".
Sky are thought to have around 30 vehicles in total, which has upset rival teams who claim they clog up hotel car parks.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-2015-chris-froome-in-data-spying-storm-20150713-gibkjj.html#ixzz3fpBY6kT1

To me, this shows that there should clearly be limitations of numbers of vehicles, salary caps and budget limitations within pro cycling.. Sky have unlimited funds at their disposal and have been unethical and unsportsman like, this year pushing the envelope especially, starting in the Giro with Porte's motorhome. of course, it's too late for this year, but if Cookson had a spine, which he doesn't, he'd speak up...

 

[42x16ss]

If they want to get back at Sky, just give the AFLD an anonymous tip off from a payphone. They might not see so many vehicles as a convenience then

 

[Happy dude]

If this was tinkoff, nobody would care

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Re:

I just read a article in the Sydney Herald about Froome's data being hacked but there was also mention of " Monday's edition of L'Equipe featured a mischievous story about Sky's cavalcade of vehicles at this year's race, which includes "un mega Pullman-restaurant" and "trois immenses motorhomes".
Sky are thought to have around 30 vehicles in total, which has upset rival teams who claim they clog up hotel car parks.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-2015-chris-froome-in-data-spying-storm-20150713-gibkjj.html#ixzz3fpBY6kT1

To me, this shows that there should clearly be limitations of numbers of vehicles, salary caps and budget limitations within pro cycling.. Sky have unlimited funds at their disposal and have been unethical and unsportsman like, this year pushing the envelope especially, starting in the Giro with Porte's motorhome. of course, it's too late for this year, but if Cookson had a spine, which he doesn't, he'd speak up...

Cookson doesn't want his lad to get sacked.