Sky threads in the Clinic

[JimmyFingers]

On the first page of the clinic there are now 9 threads relating to Sky or Sky riders or indirectly to Sky's performance in the Tour. Within each of those threads essentially the same innuendo and accusation is being repeated again and again. Each time a new article or soundbite emerges that adds fuels to the accusers fire, like Kimmage's in the Daily Mail, or Ivan Basso's comments, we get a fresh thread. Then we have threads like 'The Most Farcical Tour ever' which essentially is just a fresh round of accusations and counter-arguments.

A point was made in one of these threads that in the recent tour there were 2 positive tests and one team under investigation but these seem to barely warrant a mention. I think the forum in spiralling out of control: while there should be question marks over their performance, indeed over any effective performance, it doesn't justify so many threads and so much bandwidth devoted to one team. It devalues the arguments because it stinks of bias and witch hunt, rather than an objective assessment of Sky's Tour and the suspicions it may have raised. I would argue a good half or more of the Sky related threads should be closed and just allow the various developments be discussed in one thread rather than multiple ones that just dominate the first page.

I am not an active poster on the forums but I am very active on other cycling forums and would be here if I felt the atmosphere wasn't quite so toxic as it is often. I do use the news site on a daily basis and in particular thought Robert Millar's blog the most entertaining and relevant commentary on the Tour I have read.

 

[Arnout]

I agree with you that there are too many Sky threads, some can be merged. I don't agree that there is "too much" bandwidth devoted to one team. This is a forum, people are allowed to express opinions and arguments. No need to forbid that to promote equality.

 

[BroDeal]

What a transparent attempt by a fanboy to censor discussion, and by someone who has not even been here a month. Suspiciously, the flood of Sky threads and posts in the regular racing forum was not complained about.

Mega threads suck. They are impossible to follow. They also decrease repeat search traffic.

 

[JimmyFingers]

A predictably aggressive/immature response to my point. I think this type of post is what litters the Clinic and obscured any serious discussion of the issues. I just went in there and clicked on a few threads and the same things were being said by the same people on multiple threads. There was even a suggestion a new thread was needed to discuss a comment made by Tony Martin.

As for 'too much bandwidth' comment I may have phrased it wrong, people can talk about what they want, it was simply that there are so many threads on sky the first page is dominated by them, and other issues are being sidelined.

But it is the moderators to make the call. I see there is thread requesting not to make news threads about well discussed issues like Lance, my suggestion is that the same be applied to Sky

 

[daveinzambia]

Strangely i agree, so lng as they are discussing separate things what does it matter. I ignore the clinic anyone else can do the same. There is plenty of race discussion going on, feel free to join in with that.

I find just jumping straight to the pro cycling thread the easiest, others get to discuss what they want everyone is happy.

 

[hrotha]

I agree with you that there are too many Sky threads, some can be merged. I don't agree that there is "too much" bandwidth devoted to one team. This is a forum, people are allowed to express opinions and arguments. No need to forbid that to promote equality.

Agreed. Having so many threads means that sometimes the same discussion pops up in several of them and it's hard to keep things tidy.

But if Sky gets talked about a lot more that's because they just dominated the Tour in unpredecented fashion. It's as simple as that.

 

[Benotti69]

The reason for so many threads is simple.

Too many fans of Wiggins and Sky came into the 2 threads this July derailing them with demands for proof of doping and constant calling of people as haters who were offering their opinions of suspicion for Sky's performance.

If there was reasonable discussion and not blind devotion, as we have seen down the years in Armstrong threads, the threads would be smaller and better.

But JimmyFingers knows this, hence his attempt to censor the clinic with a complaint thread.

If Sky opened up to the transparency they proclaimed they would be there may be one thread in the clinic. You want to blame anyone blame Brailsford and Wiggins for all the suspicion surrounding them.

 

[MacRoadie]

Two words: Geert Leinders

 

[gustienordic]

I'm wondering if this is possible... To be able to have sub-threads in a thread, much like folders, that way you could go to the one sky doping thread, and from there pick which topic you want to discuss. Its just an idea, I'm not sure if it would work/if I would even like it, but yeah.

 

[Rockets160]

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On the first page of the clinic there are now 9 threads relating to Sky or Sky riders or indirectly to Sky's performance in the Tour. Within each of those threads essentially the same innuendo and accusation is being repeated again and again. Each time a new article or soundbite emerges that adds fuels to the accusers fire, like Kimmage's in the Daily Mail, or Ivan Basso's comments, we get a fresh thread. Then we have threads like 'The Most Farcical Tour ever' which essentially is just a fresh round of accusations and counter-arguments.

A point was made in one of these threads that in the recent tour there were 2 positive tests and one team under investigation but these seem to barely warrant a mention. I think the forum in spiralling out of control: while there should be question marks over their performance, indeed over any effective performance, it doesn't justify so many threads and so much bandwidth devoted to one team. It devalues the arguments because it stinks of bias and witch hunt, rather than an objective assessment of Sky's Tour and the suspicions it may have raised. I would argue a good half or more of the Sky related threads should be closed and just allow the various developments be discussed in one thread rather than multiple ones that just dominate the first page.

I am not an active poster on the forums but I am very active on other cycling forums and would be here if I felt the atmosphere wasn't quite so toxic as it is often. I do use the news site on a daily basis and in particular thought Robert Millar's blog the most entertaining and relevant commentary on the Tour I have read.

I love it when the poster feels as if he/she were paying for the bandwidth out of their own pockets...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

On the first page of the clinic there are now 9 threads relating to Sky or Sky riders or indirectly to Sky's performance in the Tour. Within each of those threads essentially the same innuendo and accusation is being repeated again and again. Each time a new article or soundbite emerges that adds fuels to the accusers fire, like Kimmage's in the Daily Mail, or Ivan Basso's comments, we get a fresh thread. Then we have threads like 'The Most Farcical Tour ever' which essentially is just a fresh round of accusations and counter-arguments.

A point was made in one of these threads that in the recent tour there were 2 positive tests and one team under investigation but these seem to barely warrant a mention. I think the forum in spiralling out of control: while there should be question marks over their performance, indeed over any effective performance, it doesn't justify so many threads and so much bandwidth devoted to one team. It devalues the arguments because it stinks of bias and witch hunt, rather than an objective assessment of Sky's Tour and the suspicions it may have raised. I would argue a good half or more of the Sky related threads should be closed and just allow the various developments be discussed in one thread rather than multiple ones that just dominate the first page.

I am not an active poster on the forums but I am very active on other cycling forums and would be here if I felt the atmosphere wasn't quite so toxic as it is often. I do use the news site on a daily basis and in particular thought Robert Millar's blog the most entertaining and relevant commentary on the Tour I have read.

Dear Cyclingnews.
I am shocked, appalled, flabbergasted, hurt, traumatized, scandalized, staggered, outraged - yet strangely aroused - that you have allowed a Sky thread in the "About the Forum" section of your so-called forum -checkmate.

I have also noticed that you call yourselves Mods - which is obviously a vague reference to the **** choice of music of one Bradley Wigans who recently one the Tour day France, a bicycle race.
I believe your forum has spiraled out of control and requires immediate (if not sooner) action, every section of your forum should be merged in to a single thread called 'The Thread Thread' to preserve valuable bandwidth.

I only post 200 to 300 times here per day and spent most of time on nicer forums, where we drink tea and gather round to sing songs - I find in your forum that you appear to allow people hold a view and invite if not downright encourage people to express their opinions in an open manner.
However I do visit other parts of your site and am quite partial to those lovely ads that appear right under the first post - indeed I met my (soon to arrive) Russian bride here - however if you continue to waste bandwidth I may have to take my business elsewhere.

 

[JimmyFingers]

an utterly inane and moronic response to a suggestion which mirrors exactly the bullying nature of the clinic: a hardcore of posters lacking any sort of objectivity determined to bully anyone who thinks differently into silence. Honestly it appears like a game they like to play rather than debate, a sad one-up-manship lacking in genuine intellectual engagement in favour of school ****-taking. There is nothing to be gained by posting here, I wasn't looking for censorship, just objective moderation but it is just an continuation of their childish antics, uncontrolled by a respectable site such as this.

Calling time on drug cheats is one thing, when it devolved into a pathetic hardcore bullying people into agreeing with them, or belittling them when they don't. I had hoped someone in autority with sense might listen here, but all I have done is given them another platform to vent their spleen and dominion. Pointless engaging anyone here, to be honest I think this fails cycling as a whole. That there are problems with cycling is given, that the problems run deep into people that purport to be fans is a sadder indictment that pretend to be fans is worse.

The truth to me is the hardcore don't want cycling to be clean, because what else would they talk about? They enjoy the taint, revel in it,because it gives then free reign to tear down anything they want to, and cyclingnews gives them the platform. I will not be participating again, hopefully I can delete this account and leave you all to you mud pies. Pathetic

 

[usedtobefast]

an utterly inane and moronic response to a suggestion which mirrors exactly the bullying nature of the clinic: a hardcore of posters lacking any sort of objectivity determined to bully anyone who thinks differently into silence. Honestly it appears like a game they like to play rather than debate, a sad one-up-manship lacking in genuine intellectual engagement in favour of school ****-taking. There is nothing to be gained by posting here, I wasn't looking for censorship, just objective moderation but it is just an continuation of their childish antics, uncontrolled by a respectable site such as this.

Calling time on drug cheats is one thing, when it devolved into a pathetic hardcore bullying people into agreeing with them, or belittling them when they don't. I had hoped someone in autority with sense might listen here, but all I have done is given them another platform to vent their spleen and dominion. Pointless engaging anyone here, to be honest I think this fails cycling as a whole. That there are problems with cycling is given, that the problems run deep into people that purport to be fans is a sadder indictment that pretend to be fans is worse.

The truth to me is the hardcore don't want cycling to be clean, because what else would they talk about? They enjoy the taint, revel in it,because it gives then free reign to tear down anything they want to, and cyclingnews gives them the platform. I will not be participating again, hopefully I can delete this account and leave you all to you mud pies. Pathetic

you could learn to use the ignore feature. or just go ahead with your current plan.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I can't seem to delete, so maybe just calling you ****s will get me banned, A small victory for the trolls that litter this site. Chin chin, do carry on with your mud pies

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I can't seem to delete, so maybe just calling you ****s will get me banned, A small victory for the trolls that litter this site. Chin chin, do carry on with your mud pies

It seems like you are stuck here forever - so how about we all gather round and sing a little song from Stevie Ray Vaughan called appropriately The Sky Is Crying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s9M-52fRGU

The sky is cryin....
Can't you see the tears roll down the street
The sky is cryin....
Can't you see the tears roll down the street
I've been looking for my baby
And I wonder where can she be

I saw my baby early one morning....
She was walking on down the street
I saw my baby early this morning....
She was walking on down the street
You know it hurt me, hurt me so bad
Made my poor heart skip a beat

I've got a real real real real bad feelin
That my baby she don't love me no more
I've got a real real bad feelin that my baby don't love me no more
You know the sky, the sky's been cryin
Can you see the tears roll down my nose

 

[Ripper]

There are too many Sky threads, as some of them really are (more or less) the same thing. It makes it difficult to even navigate. However, not all of them are the same and I agree with BD, mega-threads also suck.

Of course, when the subject matter gets so heated (Sky 'fanboys' and us evil clinic 'haters'), it tends to fuel additional threads.

That's my 2 cents.

 

[Benotti69]

There are too many Sky threads, as some of them really are (more or less) the same thing. It makes it difficult to even navigate. However, not all of them are the same and I agree with BD, mega-threads also suck.

Of course, when the subject matter gets so heated (Sky 'fanboys' and us evil clinic 'haters'), it tends to fuel additional threads.

That's my 2 cents.

Ripper, short posts like yours have gone up to 5cents. Long rambling ranting and insulting posts are free.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Everybody happy now with all the insults? I hope so, because it is time to close this thread.

Susan