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No wonder this sport cant clean its act up!Phil Gaimon @philgaimon
@Digger_forum because some dopers are worse than others, you see. Like people.
No wonder this sport cant clean its act up!Phil Gaimon @philgaimon
@Digger_forum because some dopers are worse than others, you see. Like people.
I think he learned it reading the ClinicBenotti69 said:No wonder this sport cant clean its act up!
I see Gaimon's point and kind of agree with it myself. Guys doping to keep their jobs in Europe were different than those doping to slaughter amateur fields in the States.Benotti69 said:No wonder this sport cant clean its act up!
the smart guys didn't need to dope to keep their jobs. Hincapie et al did better with their doping than put bread on the table and a roof over their heads.IzzyStradlin said:I see Gaimon's point and kind of agree with it myself. Guys doping to keep their jobs in Europe were different than those doping to slaughter amateur fields in the States.
Doping in the sport started on day 1.IzzyStradlin said:So the key question is when did they really start? So when did guys like Hincapie, Zabriskie, VdV really get into it? Motorolla? Or was it in the USAC program as teens, like Decanio says?
Steve Tilford will tell you when Danielson started, way before Europe.IzzyStradlin said:Did Danielson start doping on Fassa, or Saturn, or Sobe-Cannondale....or before that?
ADAs have no interest in eradicating dopingIzzyStradlin said:There doesn't seem to be much interest from journos or the ADAs to figure out where it all started. And that really is key to understanding the stories we've heard so far.
Blah blah blah...The specific question is: "When did the riders who testified about drug use to USADA really start using drugs?" and so "Did they perjure themselves? Or did USADA really not ask?"Benotti69 said:Doping in the sport started on day 1.
Sure, Tilford knows, TD knows, Vaughters knows, you know, I know....so why is nobody following up his obviously false testimony?Benotti69 said:Steve Tilford will tell you when Danielson started, way before Europe.
garmin dopers: goodBenotti69 said:No wonder this sport cant clean its act up!
I am not sure it's Kimmage vs Armstrong.hrotha said:What's so controversial about this notion that not all dopers are the same? Is Kimmage the same as Armstrong?
fair points, but why the past tense? are you trying to suggest something?IzzyStradlin said:I see Gaimon's point and kind of agree with it myself. Guys doping to keep their jobs in Europe were different than those doping to slaughter amateur fields in the States.
So the key question is when did they really start? So when did guys like Hincapie, Zabriskie, VdV really get into it? Motorolla? Or was it in the USAC program as teens, like Decanio says?
Did Danielson start doping on Fassa, or Saturn, or Sobe-Cannondale....or before that?
There doesn't seem to be much interest from journos or the ADAs to figure out where it all started. And that really is key to understanding the stories we've heard so far.
Feel free to use any tense you like.sniper said:fair points, but why the past tense? are you trying to suggest something?
Then you have the team staff:the sceptic said:garmin dopers: good
other english speaking dopers: pretty good
spanish and italian dopers: unrepentant, will never change
Lance: satan
Outstanding observation.roundabout said:I am not sure it's Kimmage vs Armstrong.
More like Dekker vs Voigt.
And that's where Gaimon's "logic" breaks down.
Don't know why the sarcasm for lance. He really was a really bad guy and deserved everything he got.the sceptic said:garmin dopers: good
other english speaking dopers: pretty good
spanish and italian dopers: unrepentant, will never change
Lance: satan
True. The joke is that dopers pretend that they are good because they weren't as bad as lance.... see: Garmin dopers.The Hitch said:Don't know why the sarcasm for lance. He really was a really bad guy and deserved everything he got.
Armstrong worse than Satan. Armstrong the NECROLANCER.the sceptic said:garmin dopers: good
other english speaking dopers: pretty good
spanish and italian dopers: unrepentant, will never change
Lance: satan
Gaimon hating Ricco and not Hesjedal, Millar, VdV, DZ, Horner........hrotha said:What's so controversial about this notion that not all dopers are the same? Is Kimmage the same as Armstrong?
They caught a big fish and everyone went home happy.IzzyStradlin said:Blah blah blah...The specific question is: "When did the riders who testified about drug use to USADA really start using drugs?" and so "Did they perjure themselves? Or did USADA really not ask?"
Sure, Tilford knows, TD knows, Vaughters knows, you know, I know....so why is nobody following up his obviously false testimony?
we need to introduce Gaimon to Dame Paula Radcliffe. Could be a marriage made in heavenBenotti69 said:Gaimon hating Ricco and not Hesjedal, Millar, VdV, DZ, Horner........
Kimmage was different because he left the sport rather than continue knowing that doping was rife.
Gaimon hating Ricco for saying what most with half a brain know, GT impossible to win without doping!
IAAF have Radcliffe's back. Gaimon needs to schmooze ol Brian Cookson and then he is on easy street to granfondo heaven.......blackcat said:we need to introduce Gaimon to Dame Paula Radcliffe. Could be a marriage made in heaven
with ricky riccioBenotti69 said:IAAF have Radcliffe's back. Gaimon needs to schmooze ol Brian Cookson and then he is on easy street to granfondo heaven.......
This is all well-known and ancient history at this point. Here's the highlights for cycling: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dope-and-glory-10-04-2001/IzzyStradlin said:So the key question is when did they really start? So when did guys like Hincapie, Zabriskie, VdV really get into it? Motorolla? Or was it in the USAC program as teens, like Decanio says?
Well, you need to pick a point in time to start the narrative because it goes back to any kind of competition, formalized or not.IzzyStradlin said:There doesn't seem to be much interest from journos or the ADAs to figure out where it all started. And that really is key to understanding the stories we've heard so far.
Seems like a pretty zero-tolerance policy to me...That tattoo is a bar of soap, and it means that I race clean: no drugs, no doping. I got it with several other pros in the U.S. a few years ago. We agreed that if anyone dopes, the others will come scrape the tattoo off.