Sram xx1

[Boeing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI1qz4OB5Rs

1x11
10-42 cassette.
No chain guide

Horizontal Rear Derailleur travel. perpendicular to impact.


Nice

 

[labratty]

I would really like to try it, might be the push to get a new toy.

I have been riding a beat up Scott for ages with 1x9 because the front mech lost an argument with a tree branch. At first I planned to replace it but I quickly discovered it is more fun to have a simpler bike so I stripped the extra rings off. You need to plan a bit more on the technical stuff but I find it much more joyful.

I do not plan on taking that to the limit and ride a SS MTB tho. nutters.

 

[Boeing]

Ummm all I can say is Da Bomb. and the grip shift was all I rode but it worked well and the stealthy look with just the right grip and a lefty mount Reverb control. buying grips with the grip shift version is complicates. 2 pair to make one but o well

 

[slcbiker]

Well, if they had a version that didn't require me replacing my really expensive CK rear hub, I might consider it.

 

[Boeing]

Well, if they had a version that didn't require me replacing my really expensive CK rear hub, I might consider it.

the 10 tooth cog made that impossible. for what it is worth, the design files for the free hub body are available to all manufacturing, and I am sure king is on it

I tried everything to throw the chain off the front ring and it didnt budge. but it was just an hour play. shifting under load was less an issue

it just nice not to have to shift a front gear

id like to run this on a cross bike. the road shifters are incompatible. I wonder if a bar end shifter would work or that new co-motion drop bar grip type shifter???

 

[slcbiker]

Yeah, I'm sure King is on it, but still would rather not have to make that switch. I could care less about having a 10 tooth cog vs an 11.

I'm also concerned about the cost and potentially quick wear of those large cogs.

But definitely agreed on the benefit of the clutched RD. I haven't ridden the SRAM version, but the Shimano version works very well, and as you said, basically eliminates chain drops.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The grip shifters are the best thing Sram has ever made. I loved the old ones. Haven't tried the new 1x11 though.

Been happy with the XTR stuff. No problems on it after a summer of hard riding.

I agree about 'cross. I always ran a 1x10 setup. The one thing is that, with muddy courses, a 1x11 may not be optimal given the narrow spacing on the cassette.

 

[Boeing]

This set up is the bomb. although I switched to thumb shifters

 

[Boeing]

Update.

Removing rear wheel is difficult. The rear Derailleur is near impossible for me to get used to replacing wheels. Be careful too, ts a mouse trap that could snap a finger if released prematurely.

On the 29er I swapped out the 32 front for a 30 tooth ring. Works for me here in So Cal. Not a lot of flat mashing here. It either up or down. No spin out at 30/10 ether. Removed 2 links btw

Although gripshift keeps cockpit clean, I opted back to the thumbies.

havent thrown a chain ever. no chain slap.

its an amazing set up.

On a standard hope pro 2 hub with stans until more free adapters are available.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Update.

Removing rear wheel is difficult. The rear Derailleur is near impossible for me to get used to replacing wheels. Be careful too, ts a mouse trap that could snap a finger if released prematurely.

On the 29er I swapped out the 32 front for a 30 tooth ring. Works for me here in So Cal. Not a lot of flat mashing here. It either up or down. No spin out at 30/10 ether. Removed 2 links btw

Although gripshift keeps cockpit clean, I opted back to the thumbies.

havent thrown a chain ever. no chain slap.

its an amazing set up.

On a standard hope pro 2 hub with stans until more free adapters are available.

Thanks.

I've been drooling over the xx1 for a while now. I'm sold.

 

[Boeing]

Thanks.

I've been drooling over the xx1 for a while now. I'm sold.

It hasn't made me faster like I hoped

but the wide range of gearing and only one shifter is so smooth and in steep socal as you know the fewer misshifts the better transitions to up and down.

the 10 cog is genius. still plenty of gear at speed for me anyway even with the 30

 

[papisimo98]

it's a neat idea but i don't think it's gonna last. i rode a bike with it and the gearing leaves a lot to be desired, especially when tackling the steepest single track acsents. the gearing isn't low enough. big problem. i have the same issue with 2 x 10.
and for riding on flats or slight downhills, i missed my big chain ring. i had a very hard time keeping up with my friends with 3x10.
i see 1x11 being effective only in race conditions, or extremely technical riding such as in the southwest where staying upright is challenging enough.
been mtn biking for 25 years and honestly, front shifting has never been an issue for me. it's all about anticipation of what's ahead. and the weight penalty for an extra chain ring, shifter and front der. is moot. having the extra gears is going to help me stave off muscular exhaustion and save energy, not losing 20 grams.
if i want to go bang out my local 40 + mile loops its going to have a mix of everything from paved to 20 plus % s/t climbs, give me xtr 3x10 any day of the week. more ratios, options.

 

[Boeing]

it's a neat idea but i don't think it's gonna last. i rode a bike with it and the gearing leaves a lot to be desired, especially when tackling the steepest single track acsents. the gearing isn't low enough. big problem. i have the same issue with 2 x 10.
and for riding on flats or slight downhills, i missed my big chain ring. i had a very hard time keeping up with my friends with 3x10.
i see 1x11 being effective only in race conditions, or extremely technical riding such as in the southwest where staying upright is challenging enough.
been mtn biking for 25 years and honestly, front shifting has never been an issue for me. it's all about anticipation of what's ahead. and the weight penalty for an extra chain ring, shifter and front der. is moot. having the extra gears is going to help me stave off muscular exhaustion and save energy, not losing 20 grams.
if i want to go bang out my local 40 + mile loops its going to have a mix of everything from paved to 20 plus % s/t climbs, give me xtr 3x10 any day of the week. more ratios, options.

Cant argue with your personal preferences and appreciate how they apply to your style etc. . However i believe you might want to learn your gear ratios a little better before posting this type of critique


btw 3x is gone

 

[papisimo98]

Cant argue with your personal preferences and appreciate how they apply to your style etc. . However i believe you might want to learn your gear ratios a little better before posting this type of critique


btw 3x is gone

aww, i'm guessing you went all in with biopace too eh?

 

[Boeing]

Given the low availability of the product at this point, the relatively high cost of the product and adding it to ones bike, Zero demo bikes with xx1 on them and the lack of a typical SRAM product tour like with RED at this point, the chances that someone was able ride a bike that fits them with XX1 on it and base a review on it from one sole climb, is extremely low. I'm just sayn



for my money I paid full retail for it. after all SRAM is perfecting something Downhillers and mtb bike snobs have been jerry- rigging for years. 1x9 1x10 etc.

perhaps the most innovative step in components in a long time. it will get better too


not the end all be all but certainly a viable option for those in need

a game changer IMHO

 

[papisimo98]

I stand corrected, it would be very useful for dh. Forgot to write that.
And yes you are correct, my riding style may be different.
SRAM is touting it as an XC or endurance type drivetrain. I didn't base my opinion on one climb, it was several of them.
living in socal has some of it's advantages, there are a few bikes with xx1 floating around. not hard to find if you really want.
It's neat but on a 40+ mile ride with everything thrown in, 3x works better.
On a super techy downhill definitely 1x.
.02

 

[Boeing]

Again; be careful removing rear wheel QR and or the 142 through with this set up. It takes some getting used to. the spring is rat trap stiff and if the rear Dr releases you finger is toast. dont ask

 

[biokemguy]

cage lock

Again; be careful removing rear wheel QR and or the 142 through with this set up. It takes some getting used to. the spring is rat trap stiff and if the rear Dr releases you finger is toast. dont ask

Have you tried the cage lock feature?

Two guys I ride with run xx1 and one got a flat that required a tube (stans was dried up) on our last ride. His rear wheel came off easier than my XT set-up.

 

[Boeing]

Have you tried the cage lock feature?

Two guys I ride with run xx1 and one got a flat that required a tube (stans was dried up) on our last ride. His rear wheel came off easier than my XT set-up.

yea first go was a doozit. It was blocked but I didnt realize a simple touch forward on the cage released it. and wam

its ez really even with a 142

 

[King Boonen]

I'm very new to the scene but I'm struggling to see the benefits of 1X anything over 2x or 3x for a recreational cyclist.

I have 3x Deore, I tend to leave it in the middle ring but I am glad of the big ring for long flats/easy descents and the granny ring has saved me pushing my bike up several climbs.

Am I missing something?

 

[papisimo98]

I'm very new to the scene but I'm struggling to see the benefits of 1X anything over 2x or 3x for a recreational cyclist.

I have 3x Deore, I tend to leave it in the middle ring but I am glad of the big ring for long flats/easy descents and the granny ring has saved me pushing my bike up several climbs.

Am I missing something?

yes,
it's brand new and the best stuff since sliced bread.
plus, you need to ask boeing permission to have it since he's the only person with the wealth or connections to get such a gruppo.
glty

 

[King Boonen]

yes,
it's brand new and the best stuff since sliced bread.
plus, you need to ask boeing permission to have it since he's the only person with the wealth or connections to get such a gruppo.
glty

Well to be fair it's very popular in the mtb world, I've found lots of posts on mtb forums about people going 1x10, just none really saying why.

 

[biokemguy]

A few benefits(mostly minor) off the top of my head not in any particular order.
None of these are enough for me to drop the $$ to get this now, even
at Bro-deal prices, but when the current set-up wears out I'll probably upgrade to 1 x 11 and by then it'll be cheaper.

Less shifting to think about in technical terrain

Replace front shifter with dropper post switch without crowding the handlebars

Little to no chain slap compared to 2x or 3x drive trains

Weight savings

Better clearance over obstacles

It looks cool

 

[Scott SoCal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI1qz4OB5Rs

1x11
10-42 cassette.
No chain guide

Horizontal Rear Derailleur travel. perpendicular to impact.


Nice

Got it. Love it. Game changer.

 

[Master50]

Yeah, I'm sure King is on it, but still would rather not have to make that switch. I could care less about having a 10 tooth cog vs an 11.

I'm also concerned about the cost and potentially quick wear of those large cogs.

But definitely agreed on the benefit of the clutched RD. I haven't ridden the SRAM version, but the Shimano version works very well, and as you said, basically eliminates chain drops.

The larger the cog the longer it lasts for the same use. That is why an aluminum Chainring lasts longer than several steel cassettes. The thing I worry about are the small cogs wearing out and you toss the whole cassette for a single worn out cog.