State of the Peloton 2024

[Nick2413]

The funny thing is all the other endurance sports are leaning on cycling to explain away all their new records as well now (carbs, tech, professionalism…). And even funnier to use cycling as evidence of clean sport.

 

[ingsve]

Geraint Thomas underperformed in 2018 relative to 2022? He got more energetic and hungry a couple of years after winning the Tour?

Sounds as plausible as Chris Horner winning the 2013 Vuelta clean.

Ya, no that doesn't make sense. I don't know the numbers too well, I assumed the post 2020 numbers mentioned were all the new breed of younger riders compared to the Ineos crowd being before 2020.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The funny thing is all the other endurance sports are leaning on cycling to explain away all their new records as well now (carbs, tech, professionalism…). And even funnier to use cycling as evidence of clean sport.

Teddy's porridge helped not only cycling but also other sports. Doping is not needed anymore!

 

[Rob5091]

Close the Clinic! These faster speeds are all down to “recovery pajamas" and "smart mattresses" ...
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-training/pro-cyclings-pursuit-of-perfect-sleep/

 

[Sciatic]

The funny thing is all the other endurance sports are leaning on cycling to explain away all their new records as well now (carbs, tech, professionalism…). And even funnier to use cycling as evidence of clean sport.

There have been many times the number of doping busts in Athletics (including some record holders and medalists) than in cycling since the break in testing during the pandemic. So it’s not just the spring-y shoes.

 

[Rob5091]

If teams are prepared to spend lots of cash on things like pajamas and air conditioners, then how much is going into "pharmaceutical" R & D? The big teams have budgets the size of a decent bio-tech company.

 

[zlev11]

Close the Clinic! These faster speeds are all down to “recovery pajamas" and "smart mattresses" ...
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-training/pro-cyclings-pursuit-of-perfect-sleep/

this all makes more sense to me than the nutrition stuff. im a terrible sleeper and the difference between a broken 6-7 hours and a full 8+ is massive. Lance always says he used to sleep 9 hours straight through the night every night during the Tour. if i could do that Ullrich might not be able to drop me either.

 

[Red Rick]

The funny thing is all the other endurance sports are leaning on cycling to explain away all their new records as well now (carbs, tech, professionalism…). And even funnier to use cycling as evidence of clean sport.

The fact that people wanna believe this so bad makes me wanna bash my head against a wall. And theirs

 

[SHAD0W93]

this all makes more sense to me than the nutrition stuff. im a terrible sleeper and the difference between a broken 6-7 hours and a full 8+ is massive. Lance always says he used to sleep 9 hours straight through the night every night during the Tour. if i could do that Ullrich might not be able to drop me either.

Or could do this

Josh McDaniels: Patriots Have Room Simulating 4-5 Hours of Sleep in 40 Minutes

If you've ever wondered how the New England Patriots always seem to be one step ahead of the curve, Josh McDaniels may have given us their cheat code...

syndication.bleacherreport.com

 

[Sciatic]

this all makes more sense to me than the nutrition stuff. im a terrible sleeper and the difference between a broken 6-7 hours and a full 8+ is massive. Lance always says he used to sleep 9 hours straight through the night every night during the Tour. if i could do that Ullrich might not be able to drop me either.

And surely that sleep was primary source of his success?

 

[Rob5091]

Makes me wonder what the heck they're giving him at UAE. I know it wasn't just missing out on the dip in the ice tub.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/th...shed-for-return-at-gp-quebec-and-gp-montreal/

... after the Tour when I switched off, my body went kind of into shutdown mode and I was feeling quite bad the first two weeks."

... and Lance's buddy George thinks it's all down to technology ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-falling-into-a-dark-era-of-cycling-as-he-did

Watching the current peloton however, the now 51-year-old is quite hopeful that today's generation haven't fallen into the same pitfalls as he did back in the day. “I think the sport is in such a better place now. [Athletes] will never be confronted with those decisions that we were. They’re so focused on nutrition, technology, altitude training. In many ways, they’ve surpassed the benefits of doping by technology."

 

[noob]

Close the Clinic! These faster speeds are all down to “recovery pajamas" and "smart mattresses" ...
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-training/pro-cyclings-pursuit-of-perfect-sleep/

Like an add for the bed and pyjama companies

I'm actually struck by this lately; the effect is two-fold by claiming it's the new materials, be it food, pyjama, drinks, beds, bikes etc etc it all also has the effect of ads for those companies!

The exact same way beauty influencers claim it's their new skin care when really they just had fillers and botox.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Makes me wonder what the heck they're giving him at UAE. I know it wasn't just missing out on the dip in the ice tub.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/th...shed-for-return-at-gp-quebec-and-gp-montreal/


... and Lance's buddy George thinks it's all down to technology ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-falling-into-a-dark-era-of-cycling-as-he-did

I mean, just look at how all the other UAE guys who got the rocketfuel at the Tour faded at the Vuelta, that stuff probably takes a toll on your body. Also half of Bora getting sick and multiple riders dropping out the day after they and Roglic dropped the biggest watts bomb.

 

[topcat]

this all makes more sense to me than the nutrition stuff. im a terrible sleeper and the difference between a broken 6-7 hours and a full 8+ is massive. Lance always says he used to sleep 9 hours straight through the night every night during the Tour. if i could do that Ullrich might not be able to drop me either.

The softest pillow at night is a clear conscience.

 

[zlev11]

And surely that sleep was primary source of his success?

did I say anything even close to that?

 

[Sciatic]

did I say anything even close to that?

did I say anything even close to that?

No, I was just joking (okay, sarcasm, not always a good thing) about a sentence that mentions Armstrong and being a good sleeper, in the context of a discussion about possible non-doping performance enhancers.

 

[peterfin]

I mean, just look at how all the other UAE guys who got the rocketfuel at the Tour faded at the Vuelta, that stuff probably takes a toll on your body. Also half of Bora getting sick and multiple riders dropping out the day after they and Roglic dropped the biggest watts bomb.

Even Pogi said that he was totally destroyed after the Tour and can't even drop three Lotto-Dstny guys on a climb 7 weeks later.

 

[ppanther92]

That would not be very helpful for a Merckxian career for Pogacar.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

What are you guys even talking about, Pogačar looked the most convincing he ever has at this point in the season after having won the Giro-Tour double. Like what, if you race really hard for weeks on this drug, you will experience fatigue? That also happens if you aren‘t doping.

 

[Rob5091]

What are you guys even talking about, Pogačar looked the most convincing he ever has at this point in the season after having won the Giro-Tour double. Like what, if you race really hard for weeks on this drug, you will experience fatigue? That also happens if you aren‘t doping.

Pogi won that last TT at the Tour by over 1 minute (and still managed to wave to people on the way) and looked like it was a jaunt before stage 1. To read that he was knocked out for 2 weeks afterwards is surprising.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What are you guys even talking about, Pogačar looked the most convincing he ever has at this point in the season after having won the Giro-Tour double. Like what, if you race really hard for weeks on this drug, you will experience fatigue? That also happens if you aren‘t doping.

It can also happen if you aren't racing, but still take a lot of drugs.

 

[Nick2413]

The difference is the type of fatigue he claimed to have after the Tour doesn’t just go away in a few weeks so you’re back to dominating again after a couple weeks of proper training if you’re clean.

 

[AmRacer]

The difference is the type of fatigue he claimed to have after the Tour doesn’t just go away in a few weeks so you’re back to dominating again after a couple weeks of proper training if you’re clean.

It's almost 8 weeks after the Tour.

 

[Rob5091]

It's almost 8 weeks after the Tour.

But how many weeks of training since the Tour? Was not he supposed to be on the beach with Mrs Pogi after the Tour?

 

[AmRacer]

But how many weeks of training since the Tour? Was not he supposed to be on the beach with Mrs Pogi after the Tour?

I'm sure they found a week or so for beach life. They were seen fooling around in Paris at the Olympics. So he could've 3 weeks training, the 2 Canada races and another week for final build up.
Something like that, give or take, I suppose