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Strongest teams 2011

Who will be the Strongest team in 2011

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Everyone seems to be making polls so here is one.

Which team will be the strongest in 2011? Who is weaker than 2010 who is stronger. If anything I think teams are a little more even than they have been in 2010.

The options are top 8 from cycling quotient and team lux.
 
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Team lux i think, they have signed a huge amount of fantastic riders and from the sounds of it they have a few more signings to announce. I definitely think they will be one of the top teams next year in all the races.

Saxo will definitely be a lot weaker next year as well.
 
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rabobank, personally they have got riders that can win any race. Team Luxembourg will need to get FC before I say they are the best all rounders.
 
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Could a mod change my poll so we can see who voted for who, I was sure i ticked the option...obviously not.
 

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karlboss said:
Could a mod change my poll so we can see who voted for who, I was sure i ticked the option...obviously not.

The option is ticked, so it should be available

you need to press the number of votes for each option to see those that voted for that option

But my choice is Liquigas, the only thing that they miss is a rider for the one day races, but with Oss and Sagan it will be interesting to see how they perform in next year's classics
 
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Rabobank for me as thay have riders that can contend for GC in GT's and one week races while also having riders for one day races. They also have some good young talent coming through the ranks aswell
 

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from the list provided I'd have to say team lux. Strongest isn't the same as most successful so I've balanced my thoughts with , can this team win a classic or more than one, can they really win a Grand Tour too?

Once you do that the list becomes smaller.

i'm surprised Lotto and Sky are not on the list tbh. Greipel, Gilbert, VBD - that's pretty strong...

Dan
 
Yeah, Geox would deserve a mention as well. Although they're mainly a stage racing team.

I picked Rabo, but it's not that easy, because as the OP says the strong riders are quite evenly distributed. But in terms of allround team strength, I think Rabo have the most balanced squad. And most of their big guns are quite young, which adds to the appeal (for me, at least): Gesink, Breschel, L.L. Sanchez, Mollema, Boom... And of course old fox Freire. Plus they have next year's Peter Sagan, Michael Matthews ;)
 
Katusha, Liquigas, Rabo, Garmin-Cervelo, OPL.

Katusha and Rabo are strong at everythying, Katusha are not the best Northern classics squad (Hoste and Pozzato is ok) and lack a great sprinter, and Rabo don't have a top5 bunch sprinter, apart from that they are excellent.

Liquigas could win another two GTs next year, but they don't go too far outside of stage races. No great sprinter and not the best classics lineup, ok they have Sagan, but who knows if/when he will start winning classics and whether or not he can keep getting stage wins.

Garmin-Cervelo have the best Northern classics squad, best sprint squad along with HTC, but fall away in stage races, especially GTs. Hesjedal, CVV and Le Mevel does not automatically translate into an awesome GC team.

OPL have Gilbert, Greipel and a genuine GC contender in JVdB. But they do lack depth in stage races as Jurgen will not perform year round.

HTC - Well rounded team with a sprint bias, but not strong enough in the classics and TJvG and the Velits are not yet ready to win big stage races.

Team Schlux will be average unless they secure Cancellara, the Schlecks only care about TdF and the Ardennes so they will not be well balanced.

Sky - no GC contenders in any sort of race harder than the TdU or ENECO (sorry, Uran isn't quite there yet).

Caisse - Solid team but not world beaters without Piti and LLS.

SBS - Who? Maybe Riis will turn Bertie's Goats into GT winners.

TRS - Would be surprised if they get better results next year, will be lucky to pull off two big stage races again.

Overall I guess I have to jump on the Rabo bandwagon, closely followed by Katusha, Leakies and Garmin.

Geox aren't that great beyond Menchov, Lampre-ISD don't have a bad squad.
 
In my view its very close between Team Luxembourg, Rabobank and Liquigas. I think Luxembourg edges it in my book.

They've basically got a good part of the core of the formerly strongest team out there, with The Schlecks, The Canc, Fuglsang, Voigt, O'Grady and added some good riders from elsewhere, like Gerdemann, Monfort, Posthuma, Feillu the Younger and one or two more I might've forgotten. Also they're fine on the sprinting front with Bennati and Weylandt. Its a well balanced team and has the ability to seriously compete in any race on the calender. The depth still is a little questionable, and if Luxembourg does get invited to the Giro, I shudder to see what type of team will be sent there, because it wont be pretty.

Rabo, I think, is second strongest. Obviously they lose one of their strongest riders in Menchov, some lesser gods like Nuyens and Posthuma, and one of their best supporting riders in Koos quits the scene. But they've compensated well, and even emerged stronger IMO. With guys like Sanchez, Breschel and Barredo they've added some pizazz to their long stuggling classics squad (and all of those guys can also do good work on a GT squad) and they can also expect some further development of some of their established youngsters like Gesink, Mollema and Kruijswijk to compensate for the loss of climbing talent they've lost with Menchov. Also, the three neo-pros they've added in Matthews, Vermeltfoort and Tom Slagter all show some serious promise, and all three have a serious future in the sport.

Liquigas is 3rd strongest. Even with their frontman Pellizotti having been culled from the squad partway through the season they had a blast this year. But on the whole I think they lose slightly too much talent for comfort. Kreuziger, Kiserlovski, Bennati, Chichi and Quinziato have all flown the coop, while the guys they've got in, with the exception of the promising Damiano Caruso and Eros Capecchi, are uninspiring to say the least. If they'd had a par offseason they'd be top of the list, but now they'll largely be relying on their youngsters, like Sagan, Oss, Guarnieri, and Viviani, to pick up the slack left by departing riders.

As for the rest, HTC has lost way too much talent with only minor additions, and if Goss cannot step up in a big way to fill the shoes left by Greipel they could very well expect to lose their three-year running title of 'most team wins' next year.

Katusha have made a few additions here, suffered a few losses there, generally a rather sleepy transfer period, although they still suffer from the problem, IMO, that they have a lot of good riders, but only two (Rodriguez and Kolobnev) who can pull off a major victory, and this is too few for a major team.

As for Garmin-Cervelo. They've now got fantastic sprinting, fantastic TTing, great classics team, but still are very lacking in the GC rider department. How much can you realistically expect from Martin, Hesjedal or Vande Velde? And le Mevel isn't the answer to that.

Finally, for those saying that Geox should've been short-listed. How strong is Geox really. Because I'm not that impressed yet for a team with supposed €50m coffers. They've got the old Footon team sans Cardoso or Capecchi. Then Geox have added Menchov (quality signing), Sastre (how much can you really expect?), Juan Jose Cobo (good signing), de la Fuente (everyone loves him but he'll win nothing), Fabio Duarte (promising Columbian, but by no means the most promising Columbian out there), Marko Kump (good talent), David Blanco (35 years old), Ardilla (decent domestique but will win nothing) and Kozontchuk (so Menchov can chat with someone). Its a good team. But one of the best? Not in my book.
 
Yeah, Geox mainly sprung to mind because of the Menchov-Sastre two-pronged GC attack. But Sastre hasn't quite delivered since the Giro 2009, and I'm not sure how the Menchov-Sastre combo will play out, so you could wonder how strong they really are, that's true.
 
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In my view its very close between Team Luxembourg, Rabobank and Liquigas. I think Luxembourg edges it in my book.

They've basically got a good part of the core of the formerly strongest team out there, with The Schlecks, The Canc, Fuglsang, Voigt, O'Grady and added some good riders from elsewhere, like Gerdemann, Monfort, Posthuma, Feillu the Younger and one or two more I might've forgotten. Also they're fine on the sprinting front with Bennati and Weylandt. Its a well balanced team and has the ability to seriously compete in any race on the calender. The depth still is a little questionable, and if Luxembourg does get invited to the Giro, I shudder to see what type of team will be sent there, because it wont be pretty.

Rabo, I think, is second strongest. Obviously they lose one of their strongest riders in Menchov, some lesser gods like Nuyens and Posthuma, and one of their best supporting riders in Koos quits the scene. But they've compensated well, and even emerged stronger IMO. With guys like Sanchez, Breschel and Barredo they've added some pizazz to their long stuggling classics squad (and all of those guys can also do good work on a GT squad) and they can also expect some further development of some of their established youngsters like Gesink, Mollema and Kruijswijk to compensate for the loss of climbing talent they've lost with Menchov. Also, the three neo-pros they've added in Matthews, Vermeltfoort and Tom Slagter all show some serious promise, and all three have a serious future in the sport.

Liquigas is 3rd strongest. Even with their frontman Pellizotti having been culled from the squad partway through the season they had a blast this year. But on the whole I think they lose slightly too much talent for comfort. Kreuziger, Kiserlovski, Bennati, Chichi and Quinziato have all flown the coop, while the guys they've got in, with the exception of the promising Damiano Caruso and Eros Capecchi, are uninspiring to say the least. If they'd had a par offseason they'd be top of the list, but now they'll largely be relying on their youngsters, like Sagan, Oss, Guarnieri, and Viviani, to pick up the slack left by departing riders.

As for the rest, HTC has lost way too much talent with only minor additions, and if Goss cannot step up in a big way to fill the shoes left by Greipel they could very well expect to lose their three-year running title of 'most team wins' next year.

Katusha have made a few additions here, suffered a few losses there, generally a rather sleepy transfer period, although they still suffer from the problem, IMO, that they have a lot of good riders, but only two (Rodriguez and Kolobnev) who can pull off a major victory, and this is too few for a major team.

As for Garmin-Cervelo. They've now got fantastic sprinting, fantastic TTing, great classics team, but still are very lacking in the GC rider department. How much can you realistically expect from Martin, Hesjedal or Vande Velde? And le Mevel isn't the answer to that.

Finally, for those saying that Geox should've been short-listed. How strong is Geox really. Because I'm not that impressed yet for a team with supposed €50m coffers. They've got the old Footon team sans Cardoso or Capecchi. Then Geox have added Menchov (quality signing), Sastre (how much can you really expect?), Juan Jose Cobo (good signing), de la Fuente (everyone loves him but he'll win nothing), Fabio Duarte (promising Columbian, but by no means the most promising Columbian out there), Marko Kump (good talent), David Blanco (35 years old), Ardilla (decent domestique but will win nothing) and Kozontchuk (so Menchov can chat with someone). Its a good team. But one of the best? Not in my book.

Great post Moondance.
It's just not sure yet if Spartacus will join the Lux team.
I went for Liquigas, but katusha and Garmin will also be up there for sure. What about Omega - Pharma though?
Nobody has mentioned them yet...
Greipel, Gilbert, van den Broeck: those guys will do some damage next year.
One thing is sure, 2011 will be very interesting!
 
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I went for Liquigas. They always seem to come to the party in the GC's and that should continue next year. Obviously Sagan, Oss are decent riders etc etc.

Omega do look good for plenty of wins next year, emerging riders like Blythe to go with Greiple, Gilbert, Roelandts.
 
sublimit said:
Omega do look good for plenty of wins next year, emerging riders like Blythe to go with Greiple, Gilbert, Roelandts.
They do have three strongmen (Gilbert, VDB, Greipel) but their problem is: that's it. They have no backup plan. Who do they field as their leader in the Giro or the Tirreno? Who's their leader in any classic where Gilbert doesn't race? That's why overall their team is not that impressive IMO. Certainly when it comes to racing for GC.
 
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I voted garmin but to be honest its a bit early to tell, we dont have the rosta's for next year yet.

Also, depends what you call strongest, pure race wins, the classics, grand tours. In retrospect Leakygas probably have a strong all round team, but like i say, see once the full rider lists are out.
 
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Moondance said:
The depth still is a little questionable, and if Luxembourg does get invited to the Giro, I shudder to see what type of team will be sent there, because it wont be pretty.

Maybe with Fuglsang as the leader?

Or with Bennati, Weylandt etc. for stage wins?
 
Christian said:
Maybe with Fuglsang as the leader?

Or with Bennati, Weylandt etc. for stage wins?
The Bennati option is probably the most likely one. The Schlecks will want Fuglsang at his best in the Tour. But, who knows, maybe he's been lured to the team on the promise of a free reign in the Giro.
 
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I'm going with Liquigas. It's close between them and Lux (assuming Cancellara is going to the Schlecks), but Liquigas has the edge in my opinion.

Liquigas can podium on 3 GT's next year, if Nibali takes the Giro and Vuelta and Basso the Tour. They have a good shot of winning 2 out of 3, and are the only team with a realistic chance of winning all three. Their support team for the mountains (generally known as Schmyd) is amazing, better than what the Schlecks have. In other races, Nibali has a good shot at picking up a win at the classics (a better chance than the Schlecks and Fuglsang imo). They are lacking in the cobbled classics, but in smaller stage races they're sure to pick up some wins with Sagan and others.

Team Lux with the Schlecks, Fuglsang and Cancellara seems to be a great team, I'm just not quite sure about what they're going to achieve beyond the cobbles and the Tour. Maybe a win at the Ardennes, but they'll likely achieve nothing in the other two GT's. An outside chance at some sprint victories with Bennati and Weylands and a possible top 10 with Fuglsang is about it.

Rabobank seems very impressive for next year, but are lacking a true GC contender. Sorry for the Gesink and TGBM fans (myself included), but neither will win a GT anytime soon, nor wil LL Sanchez. If Team Lux does not get Cancellara Rabo is the second strongest team on my list, but it seems likely Cancellara will go with the Schlecks, in which case their team is stronger.

As for other teams, OPL is looking great, but VDB will not win any great races. Greipel and Gilbert are sure to pick up some victories, but Greipel won't win anything big where Cav and Ferrar are around. Garmin-Cervelo is looking good as well, I'm looking forward to seeing them in action on the cobbles. Problem is, as others have mentioned, a GC contender. Same goes for HTC. Sky looks stronger than last year, but doesn't have any standout riders that will win them big races. They will pick up a nice amount of wins and top tens, but nothing major. Katusha and Geox are looking good, but just don't have enough top riders. Sastre and Menchov will pick up podium spots at GT's, perhaps some stages, but won't win, and neither will Rodriquez.
 
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I'm going with Liquigas. It's close between them and Lux (assuming Cancellara is going to the Schlecks), but Liquigas has the edge in my opinion.

Liquigas can podium on 3 GT's next year, if Nibali takes the Giro and Vuelta and Basso the Tour. They have a good shot of winning 2 out of 3, and are the only team with a realistic chance of winning all three. Their support team for the mountains (generally known as Schmyd) is amazing, better than what the Schlecks have. In other races, Nibali has a good shot at picking up a win at the classics (a better chance than the Schlecks and Fuglsang imo). They are lacking in the cobbled classics, but in smaller stage races they're sure to pick up some wins with Sagan and others.

Team Lux with the Schlecks, Fuglsang and Cancellara seems to be a great team, I'm just not quite sure about what they're going to achieve beyond the cobbles and the Tour. Maybe a win at the Ardennes, but they'll likely achieve nothing in the other two GT's. An outside chance at some sprint victories with Bennati and Weylands and a possible top 10 with Fuglsang is about it.

Rabobank seems very impressive for next year, but are lacking a true GC contender. Sorry for the Gesink and TGBM fans (myself included), but neither will win a GT anytime soon, nor wil LL Sanchez. If Team Lux does not get Cancellara Rabo is the second strongest team on my list, but it seems likely Cancellara will go with the Schlecks, in which case their team is stronger.

As for other teams, OPL is looking great, but VDB will not win any great races. Greipel and Gilbert are sure to pick up some victories, but Greipel won't win anything big where Cav and Ferrar are around. Garmin-Cervelo is looking good as well, I'm looking forward to seeing them in action on the cobbles. Problem is, as others have mentioned, a GC contender. Same goes for HTC. Sky looks stronger than last year, but doesn't have any standout riders that will win them big races. They will pick up a nice amount of wins and top tens, but nothing major. Katusha and Geox are looking good, but just don't have enough top riders. Sastre and Menchov will pick up podium spots at GT's, perhaps some stages, but won't win, and neither will Rodriquez.

Enjoy the horse's head you will wake up next to tomorrow morning. It comes courtesy of De Familie ;)
 
Greenflame said:
I'm going with Liquigas. It's close between them and Lux (assuming Cancellara is going to the Schlecks), but Liquigas has the edge in my opinion.

Liquigas can podium on 3 GT's next year, if Nibali takes the Giro and Vuelta and Basso the Tour. They have a good shot of winning 2 out of 3, and are the only team with a realistic chance of winning all three.
Dont forget Pellizoti. I say, Nibali + Pellizoti (support) for Giro, Basso for Tour, Pellizoti for Vuelta.
 
It depends how you rank victories. How many gt stages for a sprinter will be as good for them as winninng a gt is for a climber? How many monuments is 1 gt? Some on here dont even consider stage races, races. I do. Hence HTC.

Cav to win lots. WC (if it means anything to HTC) gt stages in Giro and Tour. Points jersey in both. Wear a yellow jersey in Tour for a day. Milan San Remo. (not saying he will win all, but its potential)

Goss - new Greipel. Will be sprinter for Vuelta/ Giro, whichever one Cav doesnt race.

Velits - a stage race? top 10 gc? time trials?

Tony Martin- who knows. A stage race? A gc attempt. Definately multiple stages through tts. A classic?

Then you have your Pinottis, Rogers going for stages/ stage races. Eisel for cobbles.
whole team for ttts in Giro/ Tour.

Cq rankings wise this will beat anyone. If you only care about GTs and monuments it wont. If you dont care about stage races it wont mean much either. but the points they will rank up in CQ, with stage after stage after stage, will crush everyone. ANd i suppose the exposure of winning stages in EVERY gt and stage race they enter will be good for the sponsors. Who needs Andy Schleck wins Tour, in his one race of the year, when you have that.